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Re: The War of Terrador: Balancing Thread

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Dragonchampion wrote:Please mods, lock this thread, as I am making a new one.
No, and I deleted your new thread. You have made multiple threads about this add-on, and this one is clearly labeled balancing, which means you do not need a new thread about feedback on the scenario, units, whatever as that is what this thread is labeled for, and you have too many threads floating around on this already. Keep it all in once place.
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Re: The War of Terrador: Balancing Thread

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MONSTER!

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Re: The War of Terrador: Balancing Thread

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Grrrr.....

WE DO NOT NEED NEW UNITS!!! WE NEED ATTACK ANIMS!!!!
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Re: The War of Terrador: Balancing Thread

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Ok. But remember what i told you 'bout time.

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Re: The War of Terrador: Balancing Thread

Post by huntermeca31 »

I like your era and the campaign.
It is only for balance:

Terrador L67 light tank was too powerful for a level 1. His attack should be 12-2 or 14-2
Cyborg Soldire are also too powerfull. The wrist laser can be 16-2 or 8-4
Terrador soldier was too weak. Mk2 Laser Rifle can be 6-3


Only for reference: More powerfulAttack of a level 1 In 16 to 24 total damage
Level 2:24 to 36
Level 3and +:36 and more

Continue this great work. :D

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Re: The War of Terrador: Balancing Thread

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Fixed in version 0.2.4! Thanks, hunter!

Mods: Modified Cyborg Soldier's Wrist Lasers to 9-4, Terrador Soldier's Rifle to 6-3, and Light Tank's attack to 14-2
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Re: The War of Terrador: Balancing Thread

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Balancing:

Leader should be only level 2 or 3
Zederian warrior 2nd class was also too weak. Rifle should be 6-3
Recon tank was too powerful. Light photo canon can be 12-2 or 14-2


Bug:

When you choose your leader in terrador army, one was a ? for unit

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Re: The War of Terrador: Balancing Thread

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Fixed. Now in 0.2.5! Thanks for the commitment!
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Re: The War of Terrador: Balancing Thread

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Captain art missing.

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Re: The War of Terrador: Balancing Thread

Post by Waterslash »

I think the Council Member is quite weak. Compared to the Commander, it is. Weaker attack same ability about the same HP.
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Re: The War of Terrador: Balancing Thread

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I tried your era/campaign, I didn't get very far but I'll try to give feedback.

- When making custom terrains you forgot to set the healing factor for villages
- Tanks/Spacecraft ought to be mechanical rather than getting traits, this would also stop them from being poisonable.
- Enemy anti-tank warriors are not specialised anti-tank units, they are very effective against all my unit types. Anything can kill infantry in the open, marksman makes them good at killing infantry in cover, their attack deals extra damage to spacecraft and has marksman, and planes have low hp.
-Infantry moving faster than light tanks does not make much sense.
-The spacecraft seem to cost a very large amount relative to how easy they die. While playing the second mission enemy tanks could destroy the more fragile of the two in one hit. The other one had more survivability, but as a unit with only a 6-2ish attack he still wasn't worth the price.
-in the second mission, you forgot to place villages. Also, your ally could use some sort of AI prod to send his guys towards the asteroids and not to move from them much.

A few suggestions

In order to make your spaceships a bit more viable for plantside scenarios, I would suggest that you look up the code for one of the hit-and-run abilites that has been created over the time. You might also wish to create an alternate range specificaly for bombing runs, then you could make it so that your planes could run half their move attack something then fly away. You could then keep their high cost and relativly weak stats, but make them much more worthwhile.

A work-intensive idea, but one that might be worthwhile. (Easy to impliment, but allot of work)
-I would strongly suggest that rather than sticking with the default damage types, you designate your own. This will require a bit of work writing up move-types and such, but ultimatly you would have had to write your own movetypes anyway. Doing you would allow you to distingish from various energy weapons, customise resistances better, and would be more thematic.
A few damage types I would suggest using Projectile, Bio, Laser, Explosive, Fire, Endothermic.

Projectile: bullet guns, cannon shells, probably most effective on unarmored opponents
Bio: engineered viruses, bugs, poisons ect. basicaly live/bio-chemical weapons. Most effective on living targets (rather than machines)
Laser: Basic damage type, probably dealing about the same amount of damge to most things
Explosive: Although this is not nessisaraly realistic, I'd make this damage type most effective against armor.
Fire: limited to flamethrowers, plasma, and other specificaly heat weapons. Another thing probably most effective against infantry.
Endothermic: Weapons that steal heat/energy. Probably more effective on machines than people.
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Re: The War of Terrador: Balancing Thread

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I found the Spacecraft very useful for scouting and killing anti-infantry.
Although Light Tanks are Light, they are still slow.
The stuff about extra damage types and extra range would be too hard ATM, for DragonChampon is very busy.

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Re: The War of Terrador: Balancing Thread

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Healing in villages: Fixed

Tanks & Aircraft mechanical: Fixed

Infantry faster then tanks: OF course! Have you seen how SLOW tanks are these days? A person WALKING is about the same speed as a tank.

Light Tanks are not light: Light means they have only basic weapons, not fast movement.

Recon Jet Weakness: Made it cheaper. Note these are meant for SCOUTING, not serious combat.

No Villages in 2nd mission: Fixed

Recruits stay in asteroids: If you know how to do that, tell me.

Extra Range and damage types: Maybe when the attack anims and campaign are done.
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Re: The War of Terrador: Balancing Thread

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Infantry faster then tanks: OF course! Have you seen how SLOW tanks are these days? A person WALKING is about the same speed as a tank.
i hope that was a joke or ironic or sarcasm :lol2:
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Re: The War of Terrador: Balancing Thread

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What are you talking about? Modern armor is many times faster than anyone walks.

I would not suggest modifying damage types/ranges after you finish the campaign because then you'd have to rebalance it entirely. It would probably be better to decide if you want it, and either impliment it sometime soon, or ignore it entirely.

Look in the wiki at the section for the [AI] tag for how to influence the AI, a combination of high caution and defend location would probably do it.

@Flameslash: It's incredibly easy to create new damage types/ranges. It's as easy as saying that X weapons type is laser. What would take a long time is modifying all your movetypes to include resistances for the new damage types, because unless otherwise stated, everything has a 0% resistance to laser.
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