Vampires

Fiach Dubh · Post by **Fiach Dubh** » December 11th, 2006, 3:01 am

A lot more detailed than mine, which is probably a good thing. I'm not convinced about that axe though, he looks like the kind of guy that would wield something a bit...chunkier (translation=I like my axe better!).
The pose seems strange too, I'm pretty sure nobody holds an axe like that (I know mine had the empty left hand in the same place, I was going for a 'Just bring it!' look - though he actually looks like he's checking for broken nails...)

I did mine in Paint too, by the way, and I'm not saying that it's any better than yours - I rarely do sprites, and not usually in Paint.

EDIT: Fixed the 'broken nail' problem by replacing the left arm with a mirrored version of Typhon's right (without the spikes, I just don't like them - no offence, Typhon!). The right leg is also borrowed from his version, with a slight alteration to the knee.

Post by **Thrawn** » December 11th, 2006, 4:20 am

my idea of a flesh automaton...with wicked scary axe

Fiach Dubh · Post by **Fiach Dubh** » December 11th, 2006, 4:27 am

Yep, that's better than mine...
I was going for Frankenstein's Monster, but it actually turned out like Conan the Zombie Barbarian (this is why I don't do digital art!)

Post by **Eternal** » December 11th, 2006, 4:09 pm

Hmm... Wasn't too sure wether to post this in Abomination thread or here.

But that has been decided now, here's a flesh doll for ya (with skin since blood and gore is a big no-no in Wesnoth).

It doesn't have an axe though... that can be arranged but IMHO it would look better without external weaponry. Claws? Or will it just bash with fists?
JW sez and I doz.

zthroo · Post by **zthroo** » December 11th, 2006, 4:40 pm

That's very good!
I like Eternal's best

I agree. I think it would look better without any weapons.

Fiach Dubh · Post by **Fiach Dubh** » December 11th, 2006, 4:41 pm

That looks cool, the pink skin doesn't look right though. I would have thought it would look more zombie-like, either skeletal or mouldy/rotten. It might just be me, though.

Cuyo Quiz · Post by **Cuyo Quiz** » December 11th, 2006, 4:45 pm

Hunched. An open jaw or some sort of body wound would be okay too.

Post by **Eternal** » December 11th, 2006, 4:50 pm

That would make it a hulking, pink zombie then.

EDIT: And now I noticed his right shoulder is closer to his spine than it should...

Updating in a minute...

Fiach Dubh · Post by **Fiach Dubh** » December 11th, 2006, 5:05 pm

My latest attempt, recoloured Eternal's to look more dead. I still like the idea of it having an axe, in this case taken from Thrawn's version.

I wouldn't worry too much about getting the proportions right, given that it was sewn together from pieces of several different people!

Post by **Eternal** » December 11th, 2006, 5:21 pm

You used the old image. His right shoulder is horribly off it's normal place (which just makes it look bad, nothing else). The colouring is also bit off. With that shade of blue it needs more contrast with light and shadow. [/artistic_comment]

The sketchy axe... Also the location of the mouth...
Your edit basically made my day.

Fiach Dubh · Post by **Fiach Dubh** » December 11th, 2006, 5:38 pm

Normally when I do sprites I do a large pencil drawing first, scan and shrink it, and use Paint to colour it and some other program to blur the colours and do the transparencies.

I know the shoulder doesn't look right, and I wasn't too sure about the colouring/shading (since I'm used to working in black and white). As for the axe...this is what happens when you use Photo Editor to rotate something! I tried giving it a sharper outline, but I couldn't get it to look right.

I wasn't planning to give it a mouth at all, but after the colour change the bottom half of the head looked too blank. That said, I'm happy to admit that I'm not good at sprites - more than anything, I'm trying to convey how I imagine the creature, in the hope that maybe a better sprite artist (yourself included) will do a better job than me.

And I still don't like the pink skin...

JW · Post by JW » December 11th, 2006, 9:45 pm

Those fleh-dolls look like they'd make awesome Undead or Aberration units, but for Vampires they don't look as appropriate. I imagine the unit looking 1 of 2 different ways:

1) looks like a really bulky vampire - wears clothes, but not as spiffy as regular vamps due to his lineman-esque size. Looks angry and intelligent.

2) looks like a large, sewn-together human - may or may not wear much clothing. Visible stitches keeping his body sewn together. Looks a lot like an ogre, but also doesn't look like he is as intelligent due to his reanimation...or perhaps he does.

I originally got the impression that the unit was too big, but if it's starting and ending at level 2 the size might be okay. I'd shoot for something smaller though, because that thing was huge.

I actually think that would make an AWESOME level 3 Walking Corpse though.....which would mean there would need to be a level 2 corpse created as well....

Fiach Dubh · Post by **Fiach Dubh** » December 11th, 2006, 10:08 pm

JW wrote:looks like a large, sewn-together human - may or may not wear much clothing. Visible stitches keeping his body sewn together. Looks a lot like an ogre

That was my first thought too, hence the undead Conan at the top of the page. My first concept drawing for it was actually W A Y better - sadly, A4 pencil drawings aren't usable as unit images...

JW · Post by JW » December 11th, 2006, 10:19 pm

Fiach Dubh wrote:
JW wrote:looks like a large, sewn-together human - may or may not wear much clothing. Visible stitches keeping his body sewn together. Looks a lot like an ogre
That was my first thought too, hence the undead Conan at the top of the page. My first concept drawing for it was actually W A Y better - sadly, A4 pencil drawings aren't usable as unit images...

If you scan and post the original image I'm sure one of us could use it as inspiration.

I personally have been using people's drawings as inspirations for spriting lately. I've been practicing on my own and haven't posted any of it though. So yeah, go ahead and post it.

Fiach Dubh · Post by **Fiach Dubh** » December 12th, 2006, 2:16 am

Here it is, sorry for my handwriting!

EDIT: Removed the attachment, for some reason it appeared at double the original size - which was too big to begin with. Link: http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o182 ... oncept.jpg