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frame wrote:
Darth Fool wrote: Well, it might be better to make the villages smaller and actually have multiple houses per hex to get a consistent scale for buildings....
Basicly, I don't want that. I think the new villages look really good, and they would look worse if smaller (less room for details). I want the new villages to be the baseline for scale among buildings.

Edit: the castles looks kind of puny anyway. Making them look more like the grand structures they are would only be a good thing imo.
In that case, the best bet is to abandon the current methodology (nearly) entirely for castles
and instead use the whole hex. Castles would need to be made up of four or more tiles, a tower-hex, wall-hex, courtyard hex, keep hex, and mabye a gate hex. Moat hexes could follow. Maybe this is what you already have in mind.
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Darth Fool wrote:In that case, the best bet is to abandon the current methodology (nearly) entirely for castles
and instead use the whole hex. Castles would need to be made up of four or more tiles, a tower-hex, wall-hex, courtyard hex, keep hex, and mabye a gate hex. Moat hexes could follow. Maybe this is what you already have in mind.
That would be desireable graphicly, but would kind of imply a totally different gameplay. I mean if we had a full sized gate (for instance) it would seem kinda silly that any unit can exit and enter the castle just as well from a wall.

It would be better, IMHO, to get rid of the currenlt castle graphics and replace them with "stockades" or "training camps" than to make huge, cool looking castles that loudly imply tacticaly advantages they don't actually give.
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We can make the current castle about twice as high, stretching it in both directions while still using the same way of drawing it.

This will not cover the units to much, but it will make the overlapping issues more apparent.
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We need new stockades, but i think castles are fine, well with the new graphics they are anyway :twisted:
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frame wrote:yobbo, I find your dark version a bit to dark. It loses contrast and gets a bit blurry.
Aye, that it does. But it looks evil :twisted:
frame wrote:It would also be nice with some changed shapes, not just a recoloring.
Indeed. I propose a recoloring for a placeholder though, until someone makes something proper.
frame wrote:I would rather see it recolored with a hue change.
This is easy to do. In fact, I made a gimp script that recolors all the keep and castle tiles with no intervention by me. It actually colours the tops of the keeps separately from the rest of the tile, but after trying a few colours I settled on a 180degree hue change for everything. I tried blue for the tops of the keeps, but I felt the blue of the castle made it too much.

Anyway, when pekka's done updating things I can recolour it to whatever, if it would be useful.
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I look at that image and something just doesn't look right. I think it's that the perspective is slightly different between the village and the castle turrets, by 5-10 degrees, enough to make them look awkward next to each other.
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I've almost finished the graphics for the current castle methodology, but I'm not going to finish them if there will be major methodological changes. I have no time to make methodological tests because I am oriented to graphical details and polishing which I make for fun in my very limited free time. I'll continue my work on castle after the methodological decisions are made.

The angle of the castle towers and keep is probably impossible to fit entirely with the villages and other buildings because of current castle methodology: Other building are on one hex and the castle is composed from multiple hex.
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pekka wrote:I've almost finished the graphics for the current castle methodology, but I'm not going to finish them if there will be major methodological changes. I have no time to make methodological tests because I am oriented to graphical details and polishing which I make for fun in my very limited free time. I'll continue my work on castle after the methodological decisions are made.

The angle of the castle towers and keep is probably impossible to fit entirely with the villages and other buildings because of current castle methodology: Other building are on one hex and the castle is composed from multiple hex.
You can finish them using the current methods I think. I don't want to change the way they are composed. It's not possible to get them in scale anyway atm, so lets just continue with this for the time being. The new castles are a great improvement anyway.
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charlieg wrote:I look at that image and something just doesn't look right. I think it's that the perspective is slightly different between the village and the castle turrets, by 5-10 degrees, enough to make them look awkward next to each other.
There does seem to be a slight difference in angle. I'm not sure what needs to be done to fix it (if anything) but i doubt the castle will change for that. It's much simpler to adjust the perspective on a single hex-though maybe not worth it.
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Updated castle graphics:
-colors damped
-tower wall texture polished
-added some dirt/sand inside the castle
-color adjustments on the walkable parts of the castle

Now that I see this on another monitor the castle seems to be far too dark..
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It seemed too dark at first glance, but after a dozen seconds, it seems fine...
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I think the issue of the shade of the castle has a lot to do with the color of the castle floor hex. Basically, the new graphics make the castle floor seem too bright.
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Isn't the most recent screenie the only one using the new paths graphic? Whereas the old ones were using something else? I prefered that.
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They are too dark. They blend in with the terrain, but the castle is supposed to stand out. I prefer the brightness in the castles-everywhere image...
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Pekka, ok so now we got:
1. Your polished walls/towers, but without corresponding keep gfx
2. Lighter unfinished walls/towers, but with corresponding keep gfx

Could you redo the coloring on yours to match the keep?
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