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Post by Eleazar » November 1st, 2005, 11:56 pm

I believe i figured out a way to make these look a lot better...
i.e by slicing and dicing the transitions up differently, the fade into black can be a lot more gradual.

....more later.
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Post by turin » November 2nd, 2005, 2:04 am

So, in other words, it would look more like the canyon wall went down forever and ever, instead of as if there was a bunch of black mist filling the canyon starting 20 meters deep? Sounds good! ;)

(I'm joking - it looks good now, but this would make it look better.)
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Post by Darth Fool » November 2nd, 2005, 4:03 pm

Maybe it should not fade to black but fade to a greyish fog, at least during the daytime. There could even be the odd variation with a peak sticking out of the fog... Just a thought

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Post by Eleazar » November 2nd, 2005, 11:16 pm

Um, i don't expect this to mean much to most folks, but, some testing indicates, You can modify the shape of the transitions, and everything will work, as long as you are consistant. Here's how i modified Ayin's templates for my new canyon. Now that i've done the conceptually hard part, i need to do the artistically hard part and paint.

I think i'll try to indicate dark haze rather than pure blackness at the bottom. It will appear close enough to black at night or in a cave.
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Post by Darth Fool » November 3rd, 2005, 12:19 am

Eleazar wrote:Um, i don't expect this to mean much to most folks, but, some testing indicates, You can modify the shape of the transitions, and everything will work, as long as you are consistant. Here's how i modified Ayin's templates for my new canyon. Now that i've done the conceptually hard part, i need to do the artistically hard part and paint.

I think i'll try to indicate dark haze rather than pure blackness at the bottom. It will appear close enough to black at night or in a cave.
ugh. I actually understood that. Clearly I haven't yet done enough to repress the experience of playing with castle ruins.

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Post by Eleazar » November 7th, 2005, 2:46 am

It worked, almost as i had expected:

The indistinct, but not black-bottomed canyon.

There's still work to do on it, and the cave wall transitions really get mangled in it, but i have a certain sense of acomplishment. :)
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Post by Jetrel » November 7th, 2005, 3:08 am

Rock on. Looking great.

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Post by yobbo » November 7th, 2005, 4:28 am

Wow, that looks amazing :).

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Post by Oreb » November 7th, 2005, 5:12 am

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Post by Boucman » November 7th, 2005, 6:48 am

I don't know if you noticed, but some are the trees of the forest transition are floating in mid-air...

except for that, wow, that's amazing :shock:
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Post by Neoriceisgood » November 7th, 2005, 1:25 pm

Boucman wrote:I don't know if you noticed, but some are the trees of the forest transition are floating in mid-air...

except for that, wow, that's amazing :shock:
Actually with the newer cliffs I find it looking more like they're growing on the far ledge of the cliff; so this edit to the cliffs make it look alot better with trees as they're not flying in blackness like before.
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Post by wayfarer » November 7th, 2005, 2:14 pm

It is already said but this looks really good and I agree the trees look like they are growing on the cliff.
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Post by scott » November 7th, 2005, 3:05 pm

That's really great. Bravo.
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Post by yobbo » November 8th, 2005, 12:20 am

Erm, incidentally the floating trees are really easy to fix. Just add the canyon terrain letter to the list of terrain letters in the "FORESTADJ" macros in terrain-graphics.cfg.

I think it's a testament to how well the forests were done that people don't even notice that a smaller forest tile is used when it's next to non-flat terrain ;).

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Post by freim » November 8th, 2005, 9:42 am

yobbo wrote:Erm, incidentally the floating trees are really easy to fix. Just add the canyon terrain letter to the list of terrain letters in the "FORESTADJ" macros in terrain-graphics.cfg.

I think it's a testament to how well the forests were done that people don't even notice that a smaller forest tile is used when it's next to non-flat terrain ;).
Yes, when the canyon goes in it will use the smaller forest tiles to avoid the floating trees.

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