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Re: Eleazar's Terrain Improvements

Post by Eleazar » September 1st, 2010, 2:36 am

I repurposed some graphics and got a serviceable mud pit going in 35mins -- certainly my record for a terrain with layering even half this complex.

Hopefully i'll have time to make it prettier layer, but this isn't top priority.

I call it "Muddy Quagmire".
Code: "Sm"

It's an alias of swamp that can be used in caves or wherever you want swamp without reeds.
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Re: Eleazar's Terrain Improvements

Post by Eleazar » September 5th, 2010, 1:43 am

OK, i'm going into refinement mode.

Redid the transitions for desert and sand in a highly complete way, 39 varied, yet seamless transitions each with alternates for the one and two and six sided transitions. I think i struck the right balance between retaining the hex-shape, and making the edges organic.

I'm looking in to propagateing this shape to the dirt transitions.
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Re: Eleazar's Terrain Improvements

Post by freim » September 6th, 2010, 3:08 pm

Looks good.

Is it just me, or do the desert tiles with stone details look much sharper than the ones without?

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Re: Eleazar's Terrain Improvements

Post by Anonymissimus » September 7th, 2010, 2:43 pm

some bad transition
trunk r46310
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Re: Eleazar's Terrain Improvements

Post by Eleazar » September 7th, 2010, 8:35 pm

Anonymissimus wrote:some bad transition
trunk r46310
Yeah, that's existed since at least 1.8.x

Unfortunately it involves a complicated part of the terrain WML that i haven't touched because i don't understand it.
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Re: Eleazar's Terrain Improvements

Post by Eleazar » September 7th, 2010, 10:02 pm

I'm working on a quick fix for the desert mountain problem: i.e. recolored regular mountains without the green parts.
Screen shot 2010-09-07 at 6.07.51 PM.jpg
There are still issues, but this is infinitely better than my many years old desert mountains.

I would have gone with more deserty colors, but i wanted both mountains to work well right next to each other.


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There have been several complaints that the new non-tropical water is too un-saturated. I recommended viewing the terrain in many actual maps before forming an opinion, and never heard back from any of them. 1.9.x has been out for a while, giving the non-compilers a chance to do just that.

If i don't hear back in a week or so i'll assume the objections are withdrawn. I want to finish some of this water stuff up soon.
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Re: Eleazar's Terrain Improvements

Post by Thrawn » September 8th, 2010, 4:33 am

Having played 1.9.x, I agree that the non-tropical water could be a *bit* brighter, but overall, one gets used to it quickly.
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Re: Eleazar's Terrain Improvements

Post by Eleazar » September 9th, 2010, 4:08 am

freim wrote:Looks good.

Is it just me, or do the desert tiles with stone details look much sharper than the ones without?
I dunno, i can't fully convince myself that i see it -- or that i don't.

Anyway, since better looking stones can now be added as an embellishment overlay, i tend to think these should be removed.
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Re: Eleazar's Terrain Improvements

Post by doofus-01 » September 9th, 2010, 1:10 pm

Eleazar wrote:
freim wrote:Looks good.

Is it just me, or do the desert tiles with stone details look much sharper than the ones without?
I dunno, i can't fully convince myself that i see it -- or that i don't.
Do you mean desert vs sand (A&B vs C&D)? That is true. Or that B is sharper than A? That is subtle, if true.
Eleazar wrote: Anyway, since better looking stones can now be added as an embellishment overlay, i tend to think these should be removed.
Would it be worth leaving those in for the random map generator? Or can/could the generator deal with embellishments? (I looked at the trunk SVN to see what updates were done to the generator file(s), but I don't know where the thing is or what it is called.)
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Re: Eleazar's Terrain Improvements

Post by Eleazar » September 9th, 2010, 1:47 pm

doofus-01 wrote:
Eleazar wrote:I dunno, i can't fully convince myself that i see it -- or that i don't.
Do you mean desert vs sand (A&B vs C&D)? That is true. Or that B is sharper than A? That is subtle, if true.
Eleazar wrote: Anyway, since better looking stones can now be added as an embellishment overlay, i tend to think these should be removed.
Would it be worth leaving those in for the random map generator? Or can/could the generator deal with embellishments? (I looked at the trunk SVN to see what updates were done to the generator file(s), but I don't know where the thing is or what it is called.)
I was assuming he meant C&D.

Random map generators are in data/multiplayer/scenarios. Look for files with the name that starts with "Random"...
They don't add embellishments, though it would be nice if they did. I updated them in the middle of the summer to use some of the new variants, but randomly adding appropriate embellishments is beyond me
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Re: Eleazar's Terrain Improvements

Post by Eleazar » September 9th, 2010, 5:17 pm

Off the cuff, i think this is a reasonable distribution of embellishments for random maps.
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on Marsh and Regular 15%
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EDIT: zookeeper has applied random embellishments to random maps.
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Re: Eleazar's Terrain Improvements

Post by Eleazar » September 10th, 2010, 6:28 pm

Today, i tweaked the dirt colors a little bit more and applied the transition shape which i created for the sand.

This is IMHO much more attractive.

Perhaps next i'll look at the transition between the bank and land.
Screen shot 2010-09-10 at 1.16.48 PM.jpg

For comparison here's how the map in the first post of this thread looks with current tiles.
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Re: Eleazar's Terrain Improvements

Post by Eleazar » September 11th, 2010, 2:26 am

OK, i'm starting on serious transitions for the cobbled road terrains. Compare to previous post.

May do more mulit-sided transitions...
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Re: Eleazar's Terrain Improvements

Post by Eleazar » September 11th, 2010, 8:18 pm

Applied the better transitions to the other cobbled road terrains.

Also gave the overgrown path a more broken-up look and more variety.
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Re: Eleazar's Terrain Improvements

Post by freim » September 13th, 2010, 5:51 am

Eleazar wrote:
doofus-01 wrote: Do you mean desert vs sand (A&B vs C&D)? That is true. Or that B is sharper than A? That is subtle, if true. Would it be worth leaving those in for the random map generator? Or can/could the generator deal with embellishments? (I looked at the trunk SVN to see what updates were done to the generator file(s), but I don't know where the thing is or what it is called.)
I was assuming he meant C&D.

Random map generators are in data/multiplayer/scenarios. Look for files with the name that starts with "Random"...
They don't add embellishments, though it would be nice if they did. I updated them in the middle of the summer to use some of the new variants, but randomly adding appropriate embellishments is beyond me
I meant A vs B. It's quite minor though.


Multi-sided transitions have made a huge difference, great work :)

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