New grassland and forest to water transitions

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New grassland and forest to water transitions

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Trying out a new transition. It's based on Christophe's excellent canyon gfx. This is just a quick hack to show the concept. This can be used for grassland<->water and forest<->water.

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Sure looks pretty nice like this.

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Good idea.
Yeah, i think we need something like that, done in a similar style between any land and any water terrain.

The idea of lots of different transitions types for each kind of terrain alarms me. Perhaps we can make things work by giving every land terrain a land->land transition and a land->water transition.
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Eleazar wrote:Good idea.
Yeah, i think we need something like that, done in a similar style between any land and any water terrain.

The idea of lots of different transitions types for each kind of terrain alarms me. Perhaps we can make things work by giving every land terrain a land->land transition and a land->water transition.
It has come to a point where we have a lot of transitions. That's why I hope my idea of heavier use of overlay will become possible (it has some performance issues, Ayin is looking into it). If forest, canyon etc can be drawn as an overlay, we can reduce the number of transitions considerably. It should be possible to have a "land to land" and "land to water" for each.

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Post by Jetrel »

OH MAN DOES THAT LOOK GOOD.

And I approve of the techinical miscellania related to overlays - whilst you are clearly willing to a lot of work, I think that if engine changes were implemented to make better use of it, we would all benefit.

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Post by Christophe33 »

Yes it is a very good idea. I think the height of the transitional cliff is a bit big and should be reduce by half maybe but its really cute. I also like the white/light blue edge with the water. I made such kind of light blue water transition for hills (and sent them to Cedric and Dave sometime ago). I think hills and mountains should have their own water transitions to avoid too much repetiveness.
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That's beautiful. Another unexpected benefit from all the work on Christophe's canyons.

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I agree with chris, bring the waterline up a little bit. But if you could, make the canyon thats showing now and that will be covered up by the water fade to transparent if you get me.

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Woodwizzle wrote:I agree with chris, bring the waterline up a little bit. But if you could, make the canyon thats showing now and that will be covered up by the water fade to transparent if you get me.
It is a transition with shallow water. Shallow.

That kind of effect would be extremely good with a transition to deep water, but is pointless with an extension of water that is no deeper than 1 meter. :wink:

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Post by quartex »

This transition does seem to better for when you are going from forest or grasslands to deep water. The top of the cliff that we see abovewater, indicates a sharp dropoff, or deep water, as opposed to a more gradual drop for shallow water. I realize that many maps don't go straight from forest/grassland to deep water, but I'm starting to think that this transition shouldn't be used for shallow water.

Could we also use this for sand -> deep water?

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quartex wrote:This transition does seem to better for when you are going from forest or grasslands to deep water. The top of the cliff that we see abovewater, indicates a sharp dropoff, or deep water, as opposed to a more gradual drop for shallow water. I realize that many maps don't go straight from forest/grassland to deep water, but I'm starting to think that this transition shouldn't be used for shallow water.

Could we also use this for sand -> deep water?
I'm making two new transitions for grass<->water and forest<->water. One using the cliff, and one being a "flat one". I'll post a screenshot soon.

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Thanks frame. I assume that the flat one would be for shallow water, and the cliff for deep.

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quartex wrote:Thanks frame. I assume that the flat one would be for shallow water, and the cliff for deep.
There will probably not be any restriction to what kind of water tile they can be used adjacent to, so that would be up to the map makers to decide I guess.

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Post by quartex »

But I thought transitions were automatically created by the engine when two different tiles were put together. For example when you put a forest next to water, the engine would draw in the transition between the two tiles. So how are map developers supposed to choose what kind of transition they want?

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quartex wrote:But I thought transitions were automatically created by the engine when two different tiles were put together. For example when you put a forest next to water, the engine would draw in the transition between the two tiles. So how are map developers supposed to choose what kind of transition they want?
There haven't been several alt. for the same trans type before. This need some new scripting. Things haven't been decided on quite yet. I'll just make the gfx and wait to see what happens :) Making it the way you suggest would probably be a good decision to start with.

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