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fire dragon redo

Postby Eleazar » July 11th, 2007, 5:25 am

I was working on a update of the fire dragon so it didn't look so cute and because it can now go outside of the hex on many frames.

But it doesn't look like i'll have time in the near future to finish. Someone can take over if they wish.

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Postby Jetrel » July 11th, 2007, 5:49 am

This was ... perhaps the only sprite neo made for wesnoth in his -old- style, the one he meddled with before he made the drakes. It was lacking, to be polite, and I think anyone, including him, would opt for a complete redo.


If eternal ever wanted to kick ass, and have no qualms about size constraints, this would be the time. I'd be itching to do this, except that I have a huge to-do list. :|


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Postby Eternal » July 11th, 2007, 8:34 am

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Jetryl wrote:Tell, me, eternal, do you taste blood? :twisted:


Hell yeah. :twisted:
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Postby Sapient » July 11th, 2007, 11:13 am

Or use Neo's Red Wyvern image (his other red dragon). It looks great and only needs to be animated.
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Postby Neoriceisgood » August 1st, 2007, 5:35 pm

Dude, that was my first contribution to Wesnoth .ever.


Why the hell hasn't it been replaced yet to begin with? :?
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Re: fire dragon redo

Postby Eternal » October 23rd, 2008, 2:20 pm

Sorry for necroing this up.

There has been actual progress in redoing the fire dragon. I decided to put this hideous not-yet-ready piece in here for all to see and comment on.
I will state also that what you see here is not done entirely by me; Jetryl's blocks were a big help and without his advice I couldn't have made it like it is now.

I'm a bit stuck with what to do with the front plates (the olive coloured ones). Shading them seems exceedingly difficult.
Nevertheless, I tasted blood:
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Re: fire dragon redo

Postby Jetrel » October 23rd, 2008, 6:45 pm

Eternal wrote:Sorry for necroing this up.


There is nothing wrong with thread necromancy when it's for a good reason. If the project is ongoing, reviving the thread related to it is fine.

Eternal wrote:I'm a bit stuck with what to do with the front plates (the olive coloured ones). Shading them seems exceedingly difficult.
Nevertheless, I tasted blood:


I'll see if I can dork around with it over the next few nights.
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Re: fire dragon redo

Postby kitty » October 24th, 2008, 11:31 pm

i don't know anything about spriting - but isn't the problem with the breast plates that they aren't centered? i'd assume they should taper towards a line at the center of his breast - yours look like they are viewed from the side.
i hope that makes sense...
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Re: fire dragon redo

Postby Eternal » October 26th, 2008, 4:57 pm

kitty wrote:i don't know anything about spriting - but isn't the problem with the breast plates that they aren't centered? i'd assume they should taper towards a line at the center of his breast - yours look like they are viewed from the side.
i hope that makes sense...

Hmm... I'm not sure if you are mistaken from the shape of those plates.
They are tetrahedron-like and interlope heavily. They are too "sharp" for us to see the other side in the image so the right outer lines are edges of two sides.
I hope this messy messy image shows what I mean:
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Re: fire dragon redo

Postby kitty » October 26th, 2008, 10:11 pm

ah - thanks for the explanation! but you know, if they don't look that way, or only if you know how it is planned - it could be worthwhile to rethink the concept. another pose for the dragon could make it clearer, too - but that would be way too much work...
however, i just realized that i forgot to add how entirely awesome this beast looks! keep it up! i can't even imagine how cool he'll look animated ingame! i'll shut up now.
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Re: fire dragon redo

Postby Sgt. Groovy » November 5th, 2008, 9:15 am

I can see the shape of the breast plates as you meant, but they still look like a side view to me. Here's how I think the edges should go (the green lines) when viewed from the Wesnoth angle. As for shading, every plate should be shadowing the one beneath it (the inset):
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Re: fire dragon redo

Postby Eternal » November 5th, 2008, 6:01 pm

kitty wrote:ah - thanks for the explanation! but you know, if they don't look that way, or only if you know how it is planned - it could be worthwhile to rethink the concept. another pose for the dragon could make it clearer, too - but that would be way too much work...

You are right. I'll try and shuffle up a new concept, but I'll also try to fix the current one. Thanks for the advice! :D

As for the fixing...
Sgt. Groovy wrote:I can see the shape of the breast plates as you meant, but they still look like a side view to me. Here's how I think the edges should go (the green lines) when viewed from the Wesnoth angle. As for shading, every plate should be shadowing the one beneath it (the inset):

I'll align the plates with the green lines and see what'll happen. This thread might sink a little now since I've got plenty of business with school at the moment... but we'll see.
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Re: fire dragon redo

Postby Eternal » January 24th, 2009, 1:43 pm

The more I looked at them, the more unhappy I was with the old plates. I did what kitty proposed.

I also started to rework the wings since the old ones were just too small. I know this doesn't help with the sprite being way too large for comfort.

It would also seem I have "competition" :P Something I'm very happy about, really. :) I'm quite bored to death with this sprite and animating it would be an enormous drag.
It was my original desire to pull something like this through all by myself. Do something I'd be remembered for, instead of just being the guy who starts something and lets someone else finish it.
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Re: fire dragon redo

Postby Eternal » January 25th, 2009, 11:49 am

The other wing...
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Re: fire dragon redo

Postby Kestenvarn » January 25th, 2009, 12:18 pm

Damn, I forgot about this guy but he's really good. I like his cragginess and colors.
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