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Re: B.U.R.S. (Bizarre and Unusual Recruit Styles)

Post by Rigor » July 20th, 2009, 7:19 pm

because i was asked to post a successful "all poachers" strategy, and because Quetzalcoatl announced to show me his orc rush i decided there might be no better place to post the game.

i was player 2 btw.
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Re: B.U.R.S. (Bizarre and Unusual Recruit Styles)

Post by donkey_noob_trash1 » July 20th, 2009, 8:46 pm

Rigor wrote:because i was asked to post a successful "all poachers" strategy, and because Quetzalcoatl announced to show me his orc rush i decided there might be no better place to post the game.

i was player 2 btw.
An excellent replay. I am posting it to the HODOR replay archive, if you don't mind. And thanks for contributing to the thread.

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Re: B.U.R.S. (Bizarre and Unusual Recruit Styles)

Post by Rigor » July 20th, 2009, 9:36 pm

thanks, i wish more people could reply, its nice to get feedback !

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Re: B.U.R.S. (Bizarre and Unusual Recruit Styles)

Post by Skrim » July 21st, 2009, 11:43 am

Rigor wrote:because i was asked to post a successful "all poachers" strategy, and because Quetzalcoatl announced to show me his orc rush i decided there might be no better place to post the game.

i was player 2 btw.
This was a Poacher storm vs. a Grunt rush, not against a normal strategy. Quetz also did not change his strategy once he knew that you were Poacher-spamming, he kept spamming Grunts and kept getting shot to pieces and giving you loads of XP.

I doubt it would work against a normal strategy, especially when you don't know what you're facing. It could be countered by just about any Pierce-resistant unit, esp. Skeletons.

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Re: B.U.R.S. (Bizarre and Unusual Recruit Styles)

Post by Rigor » July 21st, 2009, 1:55 pm

i didnt announce i would produce only poachers, and of course u r right, it wouldnt work against an undead player who knew i was going to play that way.

but it would work against an undead player, when i recruit a bunch of poachers at the first turn and then something else. wanna try ? :)

nevertheless i think recruiting one type of unit at the first turn is bizzare enough ( especially when its generally considered to be a weakling unit) to be posted in this thread.

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Re: B.U.R.S. (Bizarre and Unusual Recruit Styles)

Post by donkey_noob_trash1 » July 21st, 2009, 7:50 pm

Rigor wrote:i didnt announce i would produce only poachers, and of course u r right, it wouldnt work against an undead player who knew i was going to play that way.

but it would work against an undead player, when i recruit a bunch of poachers at the first turn and then something else. wanna try ? :)

nevertheless i think recruiting one type of unit at the first turn is bizzare enough ( especially when its generally considered to be a weakling unit) to be posted in this thread.
/me agrees

/me thinks Rigor's replay is a very nice contribution to this thead
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Re: B.U.R.S. (Bizarre and Unusual Recruit Styles)

Post by csarmi » July 21st, 2009, 11:29 pm

Well, the guy with the grunts just got himself slaughtered deliberately, so it seems.

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Re: B.U.R.S. (Bizarre and Unusual Recruit Styles)

Post by donkey_noob_trash1 » July 22nd, 2009, 10:32 am

Skrim wrote:
Rigor wrote:because i was asked to post a successful "all poachers" strategy, and because Quetzalcoatl announced to show me his orc rush i decided there might be no better place to post the game.

i was player 2 btw.
This was a Poacher storm vs. a Grunt rush, not against a normal strategy. Quetz also did not change his strategy once he knew that you were Poacher-spamming, he kept spamming Grunts and kept getting shot to pieces and giving you loads of XP.

I doubt it would work against a normal strategy, especially when you don't know what you're facing. It could be countered by just about any Pierce-resistant unit, esp. Skeletons.
I think you miss the point of this thread... which is not so much about whether the style presented in the replay is a one-size-fits-all recruit that works under ANY circumstances. The point of this thread is that you tried out a crazy recruitment scheme and amazingly it worked. Hell, it doesn't even have to work, in my opinion. I just like to watch replays of crazy games. That's all...
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Re: B.U.R.S. (Bizarre and Unusual Recruit Styles)

Post by Sorrow » July 23rd, 2009, 10:59 am

donkey_noob_trash1 wrote:Caph- maybe the RNG gods just hate *US* in general. I had 4 back to back horrific luck games the other day. Bleh :annoyed: Ummm... anyways... I have a replay! This strategy I call the "no grunt" strategy. It may be a B.U.R.S. because grunts are pretty much the backbone of the orc army. Also, I didn't recruit any trolls either. So the main melee units I was using were the warg riders and gobbos. I had some luck with the traits that my wargs had... several strong/ resilient ones. Also, I dare say my enemy's recruit was not very good. If he had built more clashers and augurs I would have been struggling, I think.

Anyways... here it is...
no_grunts.gz
What do you guys think? B.U.R.S or no?
Im going to go with no since thats the way Tonepoet has played for years and he isn't unusual.
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Re: B.U.R.S. (Bizarre and Unusual Recruit Styles)

Post by Rigor » July 23rd, 2009, 12:09 pm

csarmi wrote:Well, the guy with the grunts just got himself slaughtered deliberately, so it seems.

maybe the replay looks like that, but before we started to play he said something like "no fun at all now" and i dont think that he wanted to get slaughtered in this match. he played quite seriously. maybe his orcs had a hangover after 4 of them were slain. :)

donkey, i didnt see the replay, but i think going no grunts&orcs is a quite unique strategy, even if sorrow said its not so unusual.

today im unpacking three games, im curious how the kings bounty, god of war and sim city 4 will distract me from wesnoth =)

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Re: B.U.R.S. (Bizarre and Unusual Recruit Styles)

Post by Rigor » July 23rd, 2009, 4:29 pm

hi guys, here another example of a rather unusual initial recruitment:

going ALL nagas, while the stats told me that i built 10 nagas in total on that map. sounds interesting ? it is !!!

poor smozes certainly didnt expect this Image
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Re: B.U.R.S. (Bizarre and Unusual Recruit Styles)

Post by Sorrow » July 23rd, 2009, 6:39 pm

Heh. I was just thinking about how a heavy naga recruit would work and how neutral would affect orcies.
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Re: B.U.R.S. (Bizarre and Unusual Recruit Styles)

Post by Rigor » July 24th, 2009, 10:16 pm

hello again,

tonight im going to present you one of my most precious and finest games so far:

The Quest for Drake Mockery. Image

when u think of drakes, what might be the most horrible unit u can imagine... hmmmmmmmm?

yes
right, its this perennial woody plant hereImage that brought the downfall of 13 brave drakes and before my opponent spit "it is taking too much time, bye." and left before i could even set another date for finishing our beautiful little game.

enjoy....
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Re: B.U.R.S. (Bizarre and Unusual Recruit Styles)

Post by donkey_noob_trash1 » July 24th, 2009, 11:43 pm

Rigor wrote:hi guys, here another example of a rather unusual initial recruitment:

going ALL nagas, while the stats told me that i built 10 nagas in total on that map. sounds interesting ? it is !!!

poor smozes certainly didnt expect this Image
Loved the naga idea. I'm thinking of trying it in a ladder game sometime :)
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Re: B.U.R.S. (Bizarre and Unusual Recruit Styles)

Post by Rigor » July 24th, 2009, 11:52 pm

the fun part of the strategy is, u might have a lot fewer gold than usual, but the strategic possibilities with 2 nagas behind the enemies back...uuuh that REALLY pays off :D

to play it on hornshark against drakes i thought first >omg<, but somehow it wasnt so bad after all. they couldnt do as much at day AND night while i was getting cheap units in line after the nagas harrassed augurs for some turns :) actually i used them nagas like i use drakes. 60%,40% doesnt matter, the only counter at night are augurs so it doesnt matter where they r nyaaa :mrgreen:

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