Saracens v0.1.6

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Saracens v0.1.6

Post by Yogin2 »

Hi All,

Here's the Saracens + Default Era, currently under development.
Feel free to download this and start testing. Comments on balance, look and feel, etc. are welcome in this thread. To install, unzip this file into your "[WesnothPref]/data/campaigns/" folder; it will contain "default_dev.cfg", and the "default_dev" folder.


Offers for help are also appreciated. We currently need animations, level 3 artwork, artwork for lvl 0 & 1 falcon unit, and sounds for all units. Additionally, artwork for lvl 1 Heavy Cavalry (Ghulam) needs to be altered. It is currently using the artwork for the lvl 2 Archer Ghulam instead.

This file will be constantly updated with the most current changes.

Note 1: infantry-veteran currently has slow attack. this is to be slated to changed into stun if implementable.

Note 2: non-OS X users ignore/delete the folder called "__MACOSX"


Last update: April 23, 2006, 21:50 hours, PDT.
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<sapientx> [The heavy fighter]'s like a cross between an HI and a mage
<sapientx> I couldn't decide whether to guard him or put him on the front line
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You do realize that you will get a much greater response if you upload this to the campaign server, right? ;)
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Check the elite infantry level and cost...
Change those Thingie2 names to something else.
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Post by Elvish_Pillager »

turin wrote:You do realize that you will get a much greater response if you upload this to the campaign server, right? ;)
Also if the main thread linked to in the first post wasn't in the most heavily restricted forum we have... :?
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Post by Yogin2 »

shrug. not that big a deal yet. we're still making adjustments. that's why it's v0.1. Putting it in forum just gives a nice central place to keep the most current version that's not on the campaign server. I think even the wiki mentions that in development stuff should stay on the forums.

Besides why is art forum restricted? I could read it fine. and I just created this username yesterday.
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Check the elite infantry level and cost...
Done. thanks. lvl 2 costs are all ballpark right now.
Change those Thingie2 names to something else.
err, working on that.
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I was talking about the Falcon2 and Healer2 not your nick ;-) :lol: :lol:
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I was talking about the Falcon2 and Healer2 not your nick
What? I've got to come up with a level 2 name for my nick as well? damn. more work to put on the list.
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Saracens updated to v0.1.5

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A lot of balancing changes were made. Primarily, a new unit was added, the Heavy Cavalry, or Ghulam, which has a 20-1 attack lance, and a 6-3 mace.

Here's the changelog:

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v0.1.5 (04/22/2006)
	-balancing changes
		*saracenhorse changed to 10 blade, 0 impact, -10 pierce, 40 village
		*horse archer to 16g
		*archer back to 17g
		*MF hp = 36
		*healer back to 6-2 damage
		*healer cost to 18g
		*changed healer and archer to 0 blade resist
			-branched saracenlightfoot into saracenfoot for MF, MF2, and N
	-names changed
		*light horse archer name = Mamluk
		*heavy horse archer name = Archer Ghulam
	-mistakes fixed
		*MF2 movement to 6
		*infantry-veteran gets marksman
		*infantry-veteran is level 2
		*changed all attack names to lower case
	-added new unit: Heavy Cavalry
		*Ghulam: 38hp, 20-1 lance, 6-3 mace, 6 moves, 
			 20 blade, 10 impact, 0 pierce, 40 village, 17g, 40xp
		*uses same picture as Heavy Horse Archer right now

As always, comments appreciated.
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I'd like to see the mixed fighter get 50% DEF in mountains and forest (instead of 60% in mountains and 40% in forest). This would fit with his versatility theme, and reduce his dwarfness.

It's a very cool faction, BTW.
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v 0.1.6

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only one change:

HF downgraded to 6-3 marksman.
<sapientx> [The heavy fighter]'s like a cross between an HI and a mage
<sapientx> I couldn't decide whether to guard him or put him on the front line
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Sapient wrote:I'd like to see the mixed fighter get 50% DEF in mountains and forest (instead of 60% in mountains and 40% in forest). This would fit with his versatility theme, and reduce his dwarfness.

It's a very cool faction, BTW.
So you want to make it like every other normal fighter, and give it a conventional movetype.

I'm sorry to say I'm not going to do that (which is something I was asked not to do as well). The response I've gotten from most experience players who play it is that the faction's movetype is unique, and fosters a way of play that is different. Rather than being like other factions, you must learn this faction's strengths and weaknesses and play according to them.
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My complaint is the mixed fighter plays too much like a dwarven unit (and strictly better than the dwarven fighter during day). I wasn't suggesting changes to any of the other units DEF. I do like their unique style, as you put it.
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Sapient wrote:I'd like to see the mixed fighter get 50% DEF in mountains and forest (instead of 60% in mountains and 40% in forest). This would fit with his versatility theme, and reduce his dwarfness.
I agree that some (non-falcon) unit should get more than 40% def in forests. Either that or a level 1 unit with better resistances, so that there is some hope of defending in a forest. Every other faction has both strong resistance units of some time AND good forest defence units.

OTOH, if you take away the Saracens forest defence problem, they suddenly become an amazingly powerful force that can fight well on everything but water.

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Post by Yogin2 »

Here's a dwarf v. saracens 016 replay to look at. I was dwarves, Hellrider saracens. Yes, I know I took too many risks with my leader. I felt pressured. I also kept forgetting to take $%!@# hills rather than mountains.
Overall, gg by Hell.

We need to take a closer look at this balance. It's not as bad as the Bece-Decker games on DoO, but I don't quite have a feel for it yet, either.
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