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hay207
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Tower defense maps

Post by hay207 » January 22nd, 2019, 11:52 am

Hello

I remember playing velensk's tower defense map in 1.12, however many errors appeared when i uploaded to 1.14, i am trying to fix these atm, while doing so , i created my own addon named "tower defense maps", it currently have only one map, map created by IPS, coded by me.

Velensk's map's up to 4p, mine for 3p.

You basicly build towers/units (that can't move) to defend against moving mobs/waves (that can not attack) trying to reach central tower.

If you liked the idea and wanted to post your own map of tower defense, i can code it.

Please report any errors/bugs here.
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Edit: i fixed velensk's tower defense map, please report any errors.
Ports: Velensk's tower defense, dov's deep shrine
Addons: Tower defense maps , some ANL scenarios like: ANL 3p "A New Land" survival type, and ANL Co-operative map for 2p

Can-ned_Food
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Re: Tower defense maps

Post by Can-ned_Food » February 12th, 2019, 3:16 am

I was working on a port of this also.

The Tower Defense paradigm doesn't work very well in this engine unless you allow towers to attack every tile between a moveto. That was one of the things which I was doing.
Otherwise, you would want ranged attacks on the towers.
I suppose you could design a chequerboard–ish map. Players would need to place towers all over the map so as to decently intercept the creepers.

TDs are also very tedious in a turn–based engine. You want small maps and few movepoints per creeper — like 1 or 2 each. The speedy ones can have 3 or 4.

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Re: Tower defense maps

Post by hay207 » February 22nd, 2019, 10:27 pm

I don't fully understand what you mean, Have you tried my map? or velensk's?
Ports: Velensk's tower defense, dov's deep shrine
Addons: Tower defense maps , some ANL scenarios like: ANL 3p "A New Land" survival type, and ANL Co-operative map for 2p

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Re: Tower defense maps

Post by Can-ned_Food » February 23rd, 2019, 3:53 pm

Yes, I gave Velensk's version a go.

The creepers would buzz past my towers, and then I recognized that there was nothing to enable my towers to attack unless an enemy ended its move adjacent to the tower. Not what I was expecting from my experiences with other tower–defenses.

Velensk's map also seemed too large. Good thing that the hitpoints of the central HQ were few enough to shorten the time watching the enemy approach until an impending defeat.
(It helps to disable drawing the moves of computer–controlled opponents.)

Initially, I repaired a few glitches. I then began revising the concept, but lost interest among my many other concerns.
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hay207
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Re: Tower defense maps

Post by hay207 » October 31st, 2019, 8:33 pm

I discovered an addon by Eagle 11 called Ranged Attacks Mod (simplified), maybe if tweaked, could be used in this map. However, i may do this later not now.
Ports: Velensk's tower defense, dov's deep shrine
Addons: Tower defense maps , some ANL scenarios like: ANL 3p "A New Land" survival type, and ANL Co-operative map for 2p

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Re: Tower defense maps

Post by Velensk » November 5th, 2019, 8:54 pm

Maybe wasn't what you were expecting but that was working as designed. The reason it was so large was because you needed to build defenses that covered amounts of space to catch the creeps. Making the towers ranged without changing anything else would almost certainly make it too easy.

For what it's worth though, that project was mostly something to fill in time between classes at school. If someone wants to take the time to take a proper stab at designing a tower defense designed from the ground up with the idea that towers are ranged that could be pretty cool.
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Re: Tower defense maps

Post by hay207 » November 5th, 2019, 9:52 pm

Honor to meet you velensk, i fixed some bugs in your tower defense, if you want to take over the port of your addon, tell me, and i give you passphrase.
Ports: Velensk's tower defense, dov's deep shrine
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Re: Tower defense maps

Post by Velensk » November 6th, 2019, 1:28 am

Don't worry about it. If I did want to take it back over for some reason, I'd probably be wanting to do a different take on the idea. Though even if I redid it, I'd probably keep the idea of most towers not being ranged.

I was mostly posting to point out that the design of not making towers ranged was deliberate and I'd further comment that it's quite possible to beat the tower defense as designed. It is substantially easier to beat 4-player as a result of the quirks of the upgrade mechanics (which are one of the mechanics I'd probably do differently if I made another).
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Re: Tower defense maps

Post by Can-ned_Food » 45 minutes ago

A-ha! I never thought of that ;-)

If it'd been named something like Barricades or Barricade Defense or Defense With Barricades Which Attack Too, then I'd probably not've made a fool o' meeself.

Well, I'm glad that I didn't continue making any changes to it, then. Doubtless it will need overhauled to pick up for deprecated features the mainline devs are dropping in 15, but the revision I posted in February should work for 12. I cannot remember now if I tested it or not . . .
Hay207, I haven't looked at any of your Tower Defenses. I cannot remember now if you were making your own or if you took the Velensk one and began working from there. If it changes the same bugs that I fixed, then everyone can forget viewtopic.php?f=15&t=49311&p=648823.

I haven't played this game for a long time now.

As to my comment that the map was too big: I think that the turn-based scheme of Wesnoth is a major obstacle to making the Tower Defense concept workable. The problem is not exactly with the size of the map, of course, but with the quantity of mobs on the map during any given turn: a large map facilitates a large army of mobs. Disabling the animation of AI moves helps, but needing to wait while the AI moves all its mobs is rather dull in a Wesnoth Tower Defense.
If I had known that it was a deliberate design decision to include no AOE or ranged attacks, rather than thinking the add–on was unfinished, I'd have been more clear about that. Oops.

More importantly, I don't have any suggestions to offer in regards to quickening the pace :-(
The only thing I can offer is this, in summary: yes, in many other Tower Defense games, the mobs do move rather slowly, especially in early waves. The difference is that you can often do something while the mobs are moving. In the Wesnoth engine, you need to wait for your turn.

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