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Re: International Tournament– Polish edition 2017.

Postby Druid » April 10th, 2017, 8:51 am

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The semi-finals
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Solymos-HUN (Hungary) vs Krogen (Hungary) ( 0 : 0 )

Danniel_BR (Brazil) vs ElderofZion (Poland) ( 2 : 0 )
to games for the first place passes Danniel_BR (Brazil). ElderofZion (Poland) will fight for the third place.


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Games in time limits additional (semi-finals)
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17 april 2017 - Monday

10:00 (UTC + 1)
Solymos-HUN (Hungary) vs Krogen (Hungary)
20:00 (UTC + 1)
Solymos-HUN (Hungary) vs Krogen (Hungary)



Krogen wrote:Okay, if Soly says that at least she thinks about it, it's fine to wait.

Solymos-HUN is a woman ? :hmm: For solance I will say "Variable women are" . ;)
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Re: International Tournament– Polish edition 2017.

Postby Krogen » April 10th, 2017, 10:49 am

Yes, she is. :) Probably it's safe to say she's the best female player of Wesnoth.
Btw don't get me wrong, i want her too to play, it wouldn't feel right to go to the finals without semi-finals. It's just that if there is no chance for it, which i didn't see until yesterday, then it's just a waste of time to wait.
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Re: International Tournament– Polish edition 2017.

Postby Druid » April 11th, 2017, 7:01 am

Krogen wrote: ...Btw don't get me wrong, i want her too to play, it wouldn't feel right to go to the finals without semi-finals. It's just that if there is no chance for it, which i didn't see until yesterday, then it's just a waste of time to wait.

We will wait.
This is not the first tournament I organize (for example this: http://www.wesnoth.com.pl/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1147).
Two w/o in the semi-finals = reserve list in the next tournament. I know now, Sol do not think about it. But ...
Write her it (translate to Hungarian - my English may not be enough :mrgreen: ). Maybe it will help. ;)
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Re: International Tournament– Polish edition 2017.

Postby Krogen » April 11th, 2017, 10:32 pm

I got message from Solymos recently, and i have good news: the persuasion campaign might've been successful, it looks like we are going to play on the weekend. (Can't say it for sure ofc, but hope the best.)
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Re: International Tournament– Polish edition 2017.

Postby Krogen » April 16th, 2017, 10:11 pm

Yesterday we played the first 2 games of the semi-final with Solymos-HUN. She won the first, i won the second. Here are the replays. (I didn't save the first one, so i had to download that from the replay list.)
IWT2017_Solymos-HUN_vs_Krogen_1st_match.gz
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Re: International Tournament– Polish edition 2017.

Postby Druid » April 17th, 2017, 7:51 am

Krogen wrote:Yesterday we played the first 2 games of the semi-final with Solymos-HUN. She won the first, i won the second. Here are the replays. (I didn't save the first one, so i had to download that from the replay list.)
IWT2017_Solymos-HUN_vs_Krogen_1st_match.gz

IWT2017_Solymos-HUN_vs_Krogen_2nd_match.gz


Better late than never. ;) Therefore :
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The semi-finals
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Solymos-HUN (Hungary) vs Krogen (Hungary) ( 1 : 1 )

Danniel_BR (Brazil) vs ElderofZion (Poland) ( 2 : 0 )
to games for the first place passes Danniel_BR (Brazil). ElderofZion (Poland) will fight for the third place.


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Games in time limits additional (semi-finals)
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18 april 2017 - Tuesday

21:00 (UTC + 1)
Solymos-HUN (Hungary) vs Krogen (Hungary)


Again the waiting. 8)
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Re: International Tournament– Polish edition 2017.

Postby Krogen » April 17th, 2017, 7:54 pm

Third match of the semi-final, thx for the games Solymos, gg.
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Re: International Tournament– Polish edition 2017.

Postby Druid » April 18th, 2017, 6:36 am

To games for the first place passes Krogen (Hungary). Solymos-HUN (Hungary) will fight for the third place. Congratulations.

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FINALS
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Game - first place:
Danniel_BR (Brazil) vs Krogen (Hungary) ( 0 : 0 )

Game - third place:
ElderofZion (Poland) vs Solymos-HUN (Hungary) ( 0 : 0 )


Time to start the final games, so I have a question (time seems appropriate). What to change in the rules before the next tournament ? ;)
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Re: International Tournament– Polish edition 2017.

Postby Krogen » April 18th, 2017, 5:22 pm

I'll tell my opinion about the rules and what should be or not should be changed:

Rules i really liked and wouldn't change them in any way:
- The Mirror rule. If both players wants to play the mirror, they can, but if one wants to remake, they have to. I think its perfect the way it is now.
- The system. Two big groups, then pairs in the best 8. This way everyone can play a lot of games, but not too much.
- The timer rule. Btw almost anything that gives players a choice is good.
- The map pick in the best 8 and random maps in the group phase. (Another choice for players.)
- Deadlines and number of games decided at the beginning. This way everyone can decide if they have time for this.

Rules i think should be changed partly but it's not that important after all:
- I think players should be allowed to pick factions when they enter the game and they didn't see the opponent's faction yet. If both players pick the same faction, they could agree to play the mirror or they can go random. (Not that i want to pick faction, but i know someone who does... i think we all know who im talking about. :) )
- I have to copy this one: "When this solution does not settle who is supposed to advance ( example: three players have equal number of points and direct matches do not allow to decide who is supposed to get higher rank) decides the amount of points in the Polish Ladder." Not that it'll happen very often, but this is an International Tournament. Why should the Polish Ladder decide, when there is the official Ladder, that everyone knows? This gives some players a small disadvantage. I for example, until this Tournament didn't even know about the existence of the Polish Ladder. Imo it would be more fair to use the official Ladder, but since it's a rare thing, it's not that important.
- When the organiser decides about the time of the games: it happened to me, and i gave my schedule, and it was taken into account, what is right. But i think it should be in the rules, that if the players tell the organiser the times they can play, if it's possible, the organiser will not ignore that. The players can believe that if the organiser decides anyway, it's pointless to tell him their schedule. Not everybody is as fussy as me. :)

Rules i think should be changed certainly:
- The map pool should be expanded. In my experience the most popular and best maps are not the ones that are in the game currently. Swamp of Dread for example imo is better than any other 1v1 map and it's extremely popular. Just look at the forum where playes rated maps not long ago. But there are also the Clearing Gushes and The Walls of Pyrennis, just to mention a few great maps. This would also give the players more choice when they can pick map. And in a game with so much random, every opporunity for choices is valuable.
- It's good that we know the deadlines right at the start, but the deadlines themselves could be a bit longer.
- (This is more of a suggestion than a change.) There are a few players who were on reserve list in this Tournament and couldn't play. I think it would be fair to next time, when players apply for the Tournament, if someone wanted to participate in the last one but couldn't (and still has no ladder history), that player should automatically jump to the top of the reserve list. This way, if a player tried to participate once, next time he'll have a better chance.

So these are my thoughts. As it seems, generally i agree with the rules, but in details i think it could be improved.

About the final: I didn't talk with Danniel yet, but i think you can expect the final fight on the weekend.
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Re: International Tournament– Polish edition 2017.

Postby Druid » April 19th, 2017, 8:59 am

Thank you Krogen.
Someone will add something else ?

Krogen wrote:... I for example, until this Tournament didn't even know about the existence of the Polish Ladder. ...

Really ? :shock: I know, I know this "elite ladder". :mrgreen: Not every participant the tournament is on the ladder, :( but everyone is in the Polish Ladder. ;)
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Re: International Tournament– Polish edition 2017.

Postby Krogen » April 19th, 2017, 11:19 pm

Attention!
First match of the finals will be played on April 21th, Friday, start between 18:00 and 18:30 (CEST).
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Re: International Tournament– Polish edition 2017.

Postby Druid » April 21st, 2017, 6:35 am

To the winners (places from 1 to 3)
Awards - what addresses to send - of course on private messages. ;)

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Krogen wrote:First match of the finals will be played on April 21th, Friday, start between 18:00 and 18:30 (CEST).

I'm already waiting for this match. :)
@ElderofZion - when you play with Solymos-HUN ?
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Re: International Tournament– Polish edition 2017.

Postby Danniel_BR » April 21st, 2017, 9:56 pm

Howling Ghosts - 1st game of the final - His choice of map

Dwarves (me) vs Drakes

I won
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Re: International Tournament– Polish edition 2017.

Postby Krogen » April 21st, 2017, 10:35 pm

Second game, Sablestone Delta, Danniel as Knalgans, me as Rebels, i won after an epic, 40 turns long match.
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We'll play the third game tomorrow, at 18:00 CEST.
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Re: International Tournament– Polish edition 2017.

Postby Druid » April 22nd, 2017, 9:54 am

And we have emotions. :) When the third game ? ;)
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