Change title screen music

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What song should play on the main menu?

Main Menu (No change)
16
40%
Journey's End
11
28%
Wanderer
5
13%
Transience
8
20%
 
Total votes: 40

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Re: Change title screen music

Post by iceiceice » January 8th, 2015, 9:35 pm

:lol: problem solved

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Re: Change title screen music

Post by Crushmaster » January 9th, 2015, 2:12 am

It is pretty jarring, but I've heard it for so long that I think I'd miss it. :P
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Re: Change title screen music

Post by Tyler Johnson » January 9th, 2015, 10:03 am

Hi guys, unofficial LoM here, haven't logged on in ages, just came to chime in.

transience.ogg isn't used anywhere else in mainline I believe. As Aleksi did compose it as a Main Menu theme, I think it would fitting to have it back for now. At least until we get tired of it, and then we can switch it back to the current, so in another four or five years or so ;)

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Re: Change title screen music

Post by zookeeper » January 9th, 2015, 10:15 am

Tyler Johnson wrote:transience.ogg isn't used anywhere else in mainline I believe.
Well, it is, but only in... 5 places, it seems, meaning rarely enough that it's not really a concern.

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Re: Change title screen music

Post by Crushmaster » January 9th, 2015, 11:34 am

Tyler Johnson wrote:Hi guys, unofficial LoM here, haven't logged on in ages, just came to chime in.
Was the pun on purpose or accidental? :P
transience.ogg isn't used anywhere else in mainline I believe. As Aleksi did compose it as a Main Menu theme, I think it would fitting to have it back for now. At least until we get tired of it, and then we can switch it back to the current, so in another four or five years or so ;)

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It's a great track, but it doesn't seem quite strong enough for that purpose. I guess it just depends on what kinda vibe you're going for.

I'm also cool with just keeping what's currently there, but of course that's up to other peoplez.
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Re: Change title screen music

Post by lipk » January 9th, 2015, 12:08 pm

Since apparently nobody's too excited about making this a poll, I'll just but Transience back to duty, as per doofus-01's and Tyler's suggestion. Thanks for your opinions guys!

EDIT: Done in a7f4849.

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Re: Change title screen music

Post by Tyler Johnson » January 9th, 2015, 7:56 pm

Let's try it out and see what the reaction is.

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Re: Change title screen music

Post by shadowm » January 9th, 2015, 8:31 pm

lipk wrote:Since apparently nobody's too excited about making this a poll, I'll just but Transience back to duty, as per doofus-01's and Tyler's suggestion. Thanks for your opinions guys!
Several people who’ve posted in this thread have the power to turn the OP into a poll. It should’ve been a matter of someone actually doing it instead of attempting to have a meta-poll for it.

Journey’s End would’ve been a great replacement. Between the old and “new” (1.0 - 1.12) titlescreen themes, I’d rather have something that hasn’t been tried before.
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Re: Change title screen music

Post by lipk » January 9th, 2015, 9:03 pm

Several people who’ve posted in this thread have the power to turn the OP into a poll. It should’ve been a matter of someone actually doing it instead of attempting to have a meta-poll for it.
I referred to the fact that nobody replied to my suggestion to make a poll. Meh, I probably shouldn't be such a democrat and just do whatever I see fit.

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Re: Change title screen music

Post by fendrin » January 9th, 2015, 11:30 pm

shadowm wrote:Journey’s End would’ve been a great replacement.
Indeed.
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Re: Change title screen music

Post by Pentarctagon » January 10th, 2015, 1:35 am

I like the lack of loudness, though the new theme seems a little... I dunno... sad?

Also, I'll make a poll if one is still wanted. Current suggestions so far being:

Journey's End
Still Another Wanderer
Legends of the North
Battle Epic
Transience
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Re: Change title screen music

Post by Crushmaster » January 10th, 2015, 4:11 am

I'm in favor of one.
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Re: Change title screen music

Post by monochromatic » January 10th, 2015, 4:41 am

Just stopping by, briefly.

Personally, I'd prefer the main menu music to start quietly, almost inconspicuously. The reasoning goes, that a definitive opening (something loud and weighty, e.g. main_menu.ogg) makes a strong, accentuated impression immediately upon opening the game. While this might sound like a good thing, actually, due to the fact it is the same, accentuated opening repeating over and over, the impression one is left with after opening the game multiple times is a feeling of repetition or even banality, at least to my ear. This is compounded by the fact that most of us, I presume, do not linger on the menu screen: we often almost straight away click on a campaign, save-game etc. to begin playing. Thus we hear the exact same six second blurb (in this case, a flam roll and fortissimo brass) every time the game is opened. This is not a criticism to the track itself, rather its unfortunate role as the titlescreen music.

Take Morrowind's titlescreen music. I am not saying we should copy anything, but the track's slow and gentle unveiling eases the ear, so upon multiple reiterations, it isn't as tiring. It takes nearly eight seconds for the main tune to appear, yet it sounds fresh due the fact that one won't hear it every time unless one makes a point to linger and listen to the music.

With this in mind, my vote would be for something like Journey's End, or even Siege of Laurelmor.

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Re: Change title screen music

Post by shadowm » January 10th, 2015, 5:12 am

Siege of Laurelmor feels to me more like a climactic track for large, tense battle scenarios.

I’d like to put forth Heroes’ Rite as an alternative to Journey’s End, even though I’d still greatly prefer the latter since it’s about as varied in composition as I’d expect a titlescreen theme to be.

Also, I think we might want to replace the crummy DEFAULT_MUSIC_PLAYLIST in the titlescreen with a narrower set of tracks that are more suitable for it. Right now, using DMP means we get some overly action-y tracks:
  • Battle Music (battle.ogg)
  • The City Falls (the_city_falls.ogg)
  • Vengeful Pursuit (vengeful.ogg)
And then there’s a few dissonant entries like:
  • Knalgan Theme (knalgan_theme.ogg) — screams “ominous” to me
  • Suspense (suspense.ogg) — OMINOUS
  • Frantic (frantic.ogg) — ???
Et cetera. This is not a complete list (but this is, for 1.12.0).

(Note for those who aren’t familiarized with the underlying code: the DMP macro is included in a [titlescreen_music] tag from data/core/editor/_main.cfg, even when the editor isn’t loaded. Wesnoth will play music from that list in random order after the main titlescreen music designated in [game_config].)
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Re: Change title screen music

Post by Xalzar » January 10th, 2015, 10:11 am

I see some excellent songs missing in the poll... :hmm:

While I can understand why for example Over the Northern Mountains has not been included (it starts loudly like the actual theme song), I sincerely wonder why Casualties of War has not been considered.

It doesn't start too loud while exposing its theme, then repeats the theme louder, then there are few second of "ambient", then it recalls again the main theme, then it continues to be discrete but not repetitive ecc. :eng:

I think it's perfect for the purpose. :D

Ofc, I don't want to impose the inclusion of that song in the poll... If there are strong motivations for not including it that's fine, I have a second choice (which is in the list). :whistle:

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