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regarding donation links for music composers

Post by SkyOne » November 5th, 2012, 6:34 am

Hello,

I am thinking that there should be donation links for the music composers of BfW on this forum (or somewhere else). The quality of Wesnoth default music is very high, and it is a definitely important part for BfW to keep and carry more players and users.

It seems some portrait artists are recently able to obtain the commissions, but music composers are not? Of course, more numbers of portraits are necessary than the number of music here, but I think that having the links here does not disturb anyone, and as I think, creating high quality music with a theme is not easy even a good music composer.

Could anyone respond what would he/she think? I would like to hear some opinions.


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Re: regarding donation links for music composers

Post by TheScribe » November 5th, 2012, 2:51 pm

if you open the ogg files in certain programs (freac for instance) you can see the name of the composer. If you desire to donate money to them, you can contact them via PM.

I'm not trying to say a donation button would be bad though...
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Re: regarding donation links for music composers

Post by lipk » November 5th, 2012, 3:58 pm

It seems some portrait artists are recently able to obtain the commissions, but music composers are not?
I brought this topic up some time ago, but couldn't grab too much attention. I think the main reason for music composers not getting commissions is that we don't have a similarly well-established and stable government in the music department as in the art section. But I agree that music would be worth to spend some money on.

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Re: regarding donation links for music composers

Post by SkyOne » November 6th, 2012, 6:41 pm

lipk wrote:I brought this topic up some time ago, but couldn't grab too much attention.
Really? It is good, though. Someone else, especially a developer, has the same opinion as I am.:)
(but I start feeling that the same thing will happen...)
lipk wrote:I think the main reason for music composers not getting commissions is that we don't have a similarly well-established and stable government in the music department as in the art section.
Hmmm..., okay. Establishing the system in music section is probably our goal. The current situation in music section of BfW is not pretty good if we think about the future although West showed once or twice recently. (one of the greatest things in his music is that there are common phrases in his several music, such as knolls, silvan sanctuary, and one of the victory music. The set of those three is like a movie soundtrack. I think that not many music composers are able to create music nicely like that even real pros. The people in BfW community should recognize it IMO.)
lipk wrote:But I agree that music would be worth to spend some money on.
Thank you. I know that you know music.:)
TheScribe wrote:I'm not trying to say a donation button would be bad though...
Now we got three people agree with it in a day. Well, at least not in negative.:)
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Re: regarding donation links for music composers

Post by West » November 6th, 2012, 7:53 pm

Music commissions is a tricky thing. Primary problem being: who decides what music is needed and who gets paid to do it? Surely not the LoM's as this would be a clear case of self interest bias. Also, how much more music does Wesnoth really need? Is all the music we have even being used?

I certainly wouldn't mind doing some paid work for Wesnoth but truth be told, I can't think of any good reason why it would be necessary. There's a wealth of great tracks already. Just adding more for the sake of having more -- and hiring someone to do it to boot -- makes no sense.

Of course, we've had discussions about having "mini soundtracks" for the mainline campaigns in the past. That might be something to consider. But just adding more random tracks... no real point IMO.

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Re: regarding donation links for music composers

Post by lipk » November 6th, 2012, 8:04 pm

Of course, we've had discussions about having "mini soundtracks" for the mainline campaigns in the past. That might be something to consider. But just adding more random tracks... no real point IMO.
I think some of the older tracks could be updated, too.
Music commissions is a tricky thing. Primary problem being: who decides what music is needed and who gets paid to do it? Surely not the LoM's as this would be a clear case of self interest bias.
Indeed, that is the greatest showstopper. We don't have a Jetrel of music.
(one of the greatest things in his music is that there are common phrases in his several music, such as knolls, silvan sanctuary, and one of the victory music.
Knolls of Doldesh is Timothy's composition :P

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Re: regarding donation links for music composers

Post by West » November 6th, 2012, 8:08 pm

lipk wrote:I think some of the older tracks could be updated, too.
Yes, probably. I've been out of the loop for a while so I don't know which tracks that would be. Have we had any oldies updated since Northerners?

Also, this post of mine from a couple of years ago sums up my thoughts on the matter pretty good. (Please disregard that comment about UMC though, just a brain fart).

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Post by West » November 6th, 2012, 8:10 pm

lipk wrote:Knolls of Doldesh is Timothy's composition :P
And the Victory music is Tyler, I think.

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Re: regarding donation links for music composers

Post by SkyOne » November 7th, 2012, 6:21 am

Aaah... :augh: I feel like fell and hit my head on the ground in front of many people. Sorry...

My real point is to donate the music composers here generally, including the works in the past. Of course, bestowing commissions on each music will be great also.

The number of mainline campaigns actually has been increasing. So no-one complains if the number of the mini soundtracks will be increased IMO.:) (I hope I can join working on them in the future...)


This is West's donation link: http://mattiaswestlund.net/?page_id=11
Journey's end, Silvan sanctuary, Northern mountain, Traveling minstrels, etc... I am sure that those are West's masterpieces, and the link works as I tested :wink:
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Re: regarding donation links for music composers

Post by shadowm » November 8th, 2012, 2:27 am

West wrote:And the Victory music is Tyler, I think.
There are two of them — I believe one was made by either aleksi or timothyp years before. Same goes for the defeat tracks.
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Re: regarding donation links for music composers

Post by SkyOne » December 19th, 2012, 4:18 pm

Hi again,
Sorry for taking a while. This is the list of music composers in the default (ordered from the credit list), and contributed music under my research (I hope no-more mistakes...). Some of them are still not sure who created, so any helps to complete the list will be great appreciations.

If anyone below has an own donation link (URL), please either PM me or post here. I plan to put this list on the first post of this thread by editing. I only know West’s one currently. Thank you so much for contributing great music.:)


1. Aleksi:
battle.ogg, elf-land.ogg, loyalists.ogg, main_menu.ogg, transience.ogg, underground.ogg
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2. dkaufman:
battle-epic.ogg, elvish-theme.ogg, heroes_rite.ogg, siege_of_laurelmor.ogg, the_city_falls.ogg, weight_of_revenge.ogg
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3. gmlion:
the_dangerous_symphony.ogg, the_deep_path.ogg
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4. jeremy2/eltiare:
nunc_dimittis.ogg, vengeful.ogg
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5. ZhayTee:
revelation.ogg
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6. West: 1. http://mattiaswestlund.net/?page_id=11 2. http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/350053 ... s-westlund
breaking_the_chains.ogg, journeys_end.ogg, legends_of_the_north.ogg, northern_mountains.ogg, silvan_sanctuary.ogg, the_king_is_dead.ogg, traveling_minstrels.ogg
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7. Rain:
defeat2.ogg, knalgan_theme.ogg, love_theme.ogg, suspense.ogg, victory2.ogg
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8. TreizeCouleurs:
frantic.ogg, northerners.ogg
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9. TimothyP:
defeat.ogg, knolls.ogg, wanderer.ogg
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10. Tyler Johnson:
casualties_of_war.ogg, into_the_shadows.ogg, sad.ogg, victory.ogg
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unsure yet:
silence.ogg
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If anyone finds any mistakes, sorry and correct me please...
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Re: regarding donation links for music composers

Post by lipk » December 19th, 2012, 4:33 pm

battle-epic and Siege of Laurelmor are composed by Doug Kaufman, Underground is by Aleksi.

How much time did you spend with putting that list together? The composer's name is stored in the music file itself, and any good music player could've been used to extract it :P

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Re: regarding donation links for music composers

Post by SkyOne » December 19th, 2012, 5:48 pm

lipk wrote: battle-epic and Siege of Laurelmor are composed by Doug Kaufman, Underground is by Aleksi.
Oh, thank you. I edited the list.:)
lipk wrote:How much time did you spend with putting that list together? The composer's name is stored in the music file itself, and any good music player could've been used to extract it
I'd been just busy both own campaign works and real life. I am a family-holder in a foreign country, man. But sorry for taking too long.

I tried to open the files, but unable to do, so I spent a few hours for forum research. And my music player for ogg files is A Simple Campaign. Yeah, I am a man of the old school.
Anyway, you can probably tell who created "silence.ogg", can't you?
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Re: regarding donation links for music composers

Post by shadowm » December 19th, 2012, 9:14 pm

SkyOne wrote:Anyway, you can probably tell who created "silence.ogg", can't you?
First introduced in [rev]17566[/rev] by zookeeper. But does it really matter? It isn’t even a real music track, and anyone could recreate it if they wanted.
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Re: regarding donation links for music composers

Post by Tyler Johnson » January 22nd, 2013, 5:17 pm

The only way I could logically see this happening is if someone wanted a sole composer for their entire campaign that they were creating, and they work something out outside of the forums...like West said, we already have plenty of great quality music, adding more for the sake of composers getting paid...I don't know, doesn't sound like we need that.

The Wesnoth project is a place for composers to come and practice their craft, to try to create something great, and because the submission standards are so high for music, it forces you to be as professional as possible. It's like that first role an actor does for free, it's exposure, you can put it on your resume, but you're not getting monetary gain from it.

About not having a 'well established' government in the music section, that kind of evolved on its own due to the fact that we have a solid set of music that doesn't need much updating. Unless there is a complete overhaul in the graphics department or the game engine itself, and we switch to modern day PC and console graphics, we don't need to update music. Most of the software and samples we are using as composers are used in today's films, film trailers, blockbuster video games, etc.

Just my two cents.

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