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Re: Wesnoth sheet music

Postby Samonella » April 13th, 2017, 6:27 pm

Ahah, looks like I spoke too soon about being done. :lol: Should have known better.

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Inky wrote:For some reason your version was filled with all these weird ties everywhere
:hm: I'm not sure what you mean, I double checked the pdf and the xml and didn't notice anything unusual. But whatever, as long as it's fixed.

Inky wrote:For the chords in 93-97, it seems plausible to me that the bottom note is a low E? :hmm:
I still don't think there's an extra low note there, but sure, E doesn't sound bad.

Inky wrote:I still don't know what's going on with the rhythm in that middle section, I did try putting it with a metronome at 150 but it seemed most things didn't fall on the beat and I was a bit too lazy to investigate it further :P
I know what you mean, I never actually took a close look at that section. Maybe I will in a couple days. Maybe.


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Inky wrote:42: I think the G A here is just quarter notes, just like everywhere else. It does sound like the G is a bit longer than the A but certainly not twice as long.
88: Isn't the rhythm here dotted quarter D, 8th note C, quarter A? Though your version does sound very cool!
90: I don't hear any syncopation here. Maybe it is an instrument I am not hearing?
96: These 3 notes sound like they are all the same length to me, so I think they're just quarter notes.
Right, so I wasn't really listening to the actual piece, was just going of the MIDI which quite clearly has these measures the way I wrote it. But listening again, the song does have everything pretty clearly the way you wrote it. Others that fall in this same category ate the melodies at 94 and 54, pickup to 107, and 106-107 harmony. Perhaps the MIDI is a bit out of date? I suppose it's better to go with the published, .ogg version. Though I am rather attached to some of the new versions, bar 88 in particular. :mrgreen:

Inky wrote:123: Pretty sure these notes start on the downbeat; you can hear the accompaniment give a clear downbeat at the same time the note starts.
I think they sort of ease into it, so they do start a bit early but they don't really land home until the downbeat. Since pianos can't exactly ease into notes, methinks you're right, it shouldn't be syncopated in our score.

Inky wrote:130: I hear the accompaniment play on the downbeat but not on beat 3. Even if there is a C on beat 3, having it by itself sounds strange.
Okay, so these four measures were pretty hard to arrange. All that's going on is the rising half-notes in the low brass, the arpeggios on the harp or whatever it is, and percussion. It sounds bad if the piano score only includes the brass part because the pulse kind of gets lost. Trying to include harp sounds bad because then it just appears out of nowhere and disappears into nowhere. And of course including a tambourine or snare is out of the question. So I started with the harp part in the treble clef, then took out as much of it as I could while still maintaining a pulse. But you're right, it didn't work so well. In the attachment is try two, where I put some of those notes inside the left-hand. It's at least better, I think?

Inky wrote:147: I don't think there is anything fancy going on here, just 8th notes with ritardando; the A is certainly not twice as long as the E.
The midi's rhythm was actually this:
midi_rhythm.png
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So, while simplifying, I already made the A shorter. But you're right again, I don't hear anything like that in the .ogg.

So this version is mostly loyal to the .ogg, I think the only places i went with the midi was 88 and 147. Or at least those're the only places I meant to. I just think that those slightly mixed-up rhythms add a lot to the piano score.

I also updated the last chord a bit, since last time I got mixed up and thought it was already in bass clef... :whistle: that's another tricky part, since the original is a giant blend of As, F-naturals and G-naturals that spans well above and below the normal staves. Trying to re-create it in two human hands' reach takes a lot of experimentation and I'm not sure I found the best mix yet.
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Re: Wesnoth sheet music

Postby Inky » April 13th, 2017, 9:31 pm

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By weird ties, I meant things like this were everywhere in both the XML and the pdf:
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The upper left note should be a half note and the others should be dotted halfs.

93-97: We'll just leave it as it is (without the E) then, that seems the safest option :D

55-76: Well, "creative" rhythms sound less bad than "creative" notes, so I just thought "close enough..." :whistle:


Traveling Minstrels
Measures 88 and 147 sound to me like someone trying to play Traveling Minstrels after having had one drink too many :P
I think it's because I have listened to the piece so many times that they sound weird to me. But they do sound interesting, so I guess it's "creative liberty" :eng: :D
EDIT: measure 112 also features the "creative" rhythm

33: I think it would be nice if the downbeat was differentiated more from the second beat, to make it clear that they are not part of the same phrase. According to the score there is also a B being played on the downbeat- I think either adding a B beneath the E on the downbeat or changing the E to the B would do this?

EDIT: 121 is missing an 8th note in the bottom voice.

130: I think it sounds nice! Good work!

The whole thing just sounds so awesome!! 8)
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Re: Wesnoth sheet music

Postby Samonella » April 14th, 2017, 1:45 am

Inky wrote:Measures 88 and 147 sound to me like someone trying to play Traveling Minstrels after having had one drink too many :P
I think it's because I have listened to the piece so many times that they sound weird to me. But they do sound interesting, so I guess it's "creative liberty"
Lol, very eloquent. I suppose it's best to leave "creative liberty" to the performer so I cleared it out of the score. But this is one that I think I'll actually practice playing, and I'm going to "creatively" follow the midi. :P :P

Inky wrote:33: I think it would be nice if the downbeat was differentiated more from the second beat, to make it clear that they are not part of the same phrase. According to the score there is also a B being played on the downbeat- I think either adding a B beneath the E on the downbeat or changing the E to the B would do this?
How about a B above the E? There's a nice rising line on the half notes that I think a low B would mess up.

Inky wrote:EDIT: 121 is missing an 8th note in the bottom voice.
Em, not sure what 8th note you mean, I don't hear/see any in either the .ogg or the midi. Well, the highest choir voices come in on +of1, but I doubt that's it.

Also I made one slight change to the bar 24 harmony's rhythm that is in the midi and (i'm pretty sure) the ogg.
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Re: Wesnoth sheet music

Postby Inky » April 14th, 2017, 2:02 am

33: sounds good!

121: sorry, wasn't too clear. I mean there is an 8th note's worth of time missing:
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Samonella wrote: But this is one that I think I'll actually practice playing, and I'm going to "creatively" follow the midi.

Yeah!!! 8) :D :) That's so awesome!!! Good luck!!
I was honestly wondering whether anybody besides me was actually trying to play these. If you would like to share, I would love to hear a recording of it!

(I am still practicing battle but it stills sounds a lot like nails on a chalkboard...)
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Re: Wesnoth sheet music

Postby Samonella » April 14th, 2017, 3:05 am

Inky wrote:121: There is a dotted quarter followed by a quarter, which doesn't add up :P
Ah, I see now. I fixed this, and a handful of formatting things, so this is (or better be :lol: ) the final version! As a special feature, it seems that the xml didn't even add a bunch of random page-breaks all over!
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Inky wrote:
Samonella wrote: But this is one that I think I'll actually practice playing, and I'm going to "creatively" follow the midi.
Yeah!!! 8) :D :) That's so awesome!!! Good luck!!
I was honestly wondering whether anybody besides me was actually trying to play these. If you would like to share, I would love to hear a recording of it!
Sure, but it will be a while. Most likely, it will be a while before I even start practicing.
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Re: Wesnoth sheet music

Postby Inky » April 14th, 2017, 5:51 am

I listened to it yet again and I am sorry to report that I've found another fishy sounding spot :augh:

On beats 2-3 of measure 79 I think the top 8th notes are A C# E A and then F# on the downbeat of 80 (this is what I hear in the piece and also written in the score); you have C# E A C# and then A instead.
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Also tiny nitpick: measure 24 would be more readable if the two 8ths on beat 2 were beamed together.

Samonella wrote:Sure, but it will be a while. Most likely, it will be a while before I even start practicing.
Yeah, learning new pieces is really slow and really time consuming :( No need to hurry or even post the recording at all if you don't want to; I am only curious what the piece sounds like with an actual player since it is far beyond my measly piano skills :whistle:
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Re: Wesnoth sheet music

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Re: Wesnoth sheet music

Postby Inky » April 15th, 2017, 12:59 am

Wow, this MFARS has a lot of features, even automatic edits! :D 8)
Practicing some of the passages in Battle is making me feel ill/want to rage quit, maybe I will need my own MFARS :whistle:

I updated the first post's link to Traveling Minstrels. Don't worry, I didn't find anything else, so it should be safe for Samonella to come back now :)
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