[Interface] Make Early Finish Bonus clearer

[Inky]

I noticed the early finish bonus in scenarios is always 2 + the number of villages on the map, regardless of what the initial income and gold per village setting is.

I don't know whether this is intentional or an oversight; it doesn't affect mainline much (but S10 The Flaming Sword in Dead Water has a +5 income for example) but a lot of UMCs change the income and GPV value, sometimes making it by far the better option to wait around generating income rather than ending the scenario early.

I think the game could be more clear about the early finish:

• The exact amount could be specified in the scenario objectives (instead of just "Early finish bonus." change it to "Early finish bonus: x gold per turn.")
• I think there could also be an entry about carryover in the in-game Help since it's a fundamental part of Wesnoth gameplay, especially since the mainline campaigns use two completely different carryover systems (40% + min. gold vs. max{80%, min. gold} ) which I'm sure confuses new players.

Thanks for reading; hope this is the right forum for this.

[gfgtdf]

I noticed the early finish bonus in scenarios is always 2 + the number of villages on the map, regardless of what the initial income and gold per village setting is.

This was already fixed in wesnoth 1.13.0 or 1.13.1

The exact amount could be specified in the scenario objectives (instead of just "Early finish bonus." change it to "Early finish bonus: x gold per turn.")

In wesnoth 1.12 the carrover bonus is always as in the formula you mentioned above, i actuall think this is quiet easy and there is already a label which shows the number of villages on the map.

I think there could also be an entry about carryover in the in-game Help since it's a fundamental part of Wesnoth gameplay, especially since the mainline campaigns use two completely different carryover systems (40% + min. gold vs. max{80%, min. gold} ) which I'm sure confuses new players.[/list]

We wanted to convert all mainline campaigns to the '40% + min. gold' system but for some scenarios its not that easy. For example in LoW scenario5 the intention is that you'll get a lot of gold which is enough for the follwoing 3 scenarios.

[Inky]

Thanks for taking the time to respond; sorry I didn't realize this has already been addressed.

I think even though it's simple it would still be nice to have the carryover / early finish system explained in the in-game help. It seems obvious now but it actually took me a long time to realize the early finish was directly related to the number of villages on a map.

Regarding LoW scenarios 5-7, I think raising Scenario 6's min. gold to around 800 and Scenario 7's min. gold to around 450 (on hard) would more or less keep things the same?

Spoiler:

80% system: (based on my recent playthrough on hard)

• S5: End with 2000 gold (200 + 1800 from treasury); 80% carryover = 1600
• S6: 1600 starting gold [Used 250 gold]
  Ended with 1500 gold, paid dwarves 400
  -> 80% of 1100 = 900 carryover
• S7: 900 starting gold

So if the min. gold for S6 was raised to 800 gold (from 250) and S7's raised to to 450 gold (from 400), then if I played exactly as before I'd get the same starting gold in the 40% system:

• S5: End with 2000 gold; 40% carryover = 800
• S6: 800 min. + 800 carryover = 1600 starting gold
  End with 1500, pay dwarves 400
  -> 40% of 1100 = 450 carryover
• S7: 450 min. + 450 carryover = 900 starting gold

Not sure how typical my personal starting gold values are though, as not many people post in the LoW feedback threads.

[gfgtdf]

Thanks for taking the time to respond; sorry I didn't realize this has already been addressed.

I think even though it's simple it would still be nice to have the carryover / early finish system explained in the in-game help. It seems obvious now but it actually took me a long time to realize the early finish was directly related to the number of villages on a map.

yes specially in 1.13.x where it's now possible to configure the carryover gold more. But note even in 1.12 the foruma is not always this easy: It is for example possible that the number of villages change during a scenario and so does the caryover bonus gold per turn.

Regarding LoW scenarios 5-7, I think raising Scenario 6's min. gold to around 800 and Scenario 7's min. gold to around 450 (on hard) would more or less keep things the same?

Spoiler:

80% system: (based on my recent playthrough on hard)

• S5: End with 2000 gold (200 + 1800 from treasury); 80% carryover = 1600
• S6: 1600 starting gold [Used 250 gold]
  Ended with 1500 gold, paid dwarves 400
  -> 80% of 1100 = 900 carryover
• S7: 900 starting gold

So if the min. gold for S6 was raised to 800 gold (from 250) and S7's raised to to 450 gold (from 400), then if I played exactly as before I'd get the same starting gold in the 40% system:

• S5: End with 2000 gold; 40% carryover = 800
• S6: 800 min. + 800 carryover = 1600 starting gold
  End with 1500, pay dwarves 400
  -> 40% of 1100 = 450 carryover
• S7: 450 min. + 450 carryover = 900 starting gold

Not sure how typical my personal starting gold values are though, as not many people post in the LoW feedback threads.

Yes gameplay wise this shoudl work. But the way it currently is is also story-related: you get a huge amount of gold in 'the surian treasury' (you steal the treasure form the saurians) which you can then spend in the next scenarios.

[max_torch]

Regarding LoW scenarios 5-7, I think raising Scenario 6's min. gold to around 800 and Scenario 7's min. gold to around 450 (on hard) would more or less keep things the same?

Right now the carryover gold in LoW isn't working properly in MP, perhaps it's quite dangerous to change things there when it's not yet stable.

[Chief_Chasso]

I noticed the early finish bonus in scenarios is always 2 + the number of villages on the map, regardless of what the initial income and gold per village setting is.

This was already fixed in wesnoth 1.13.0 or 1.13.1

Hi guys, I'm not sure I understand what the problem was or what was fixed? The early finish bonus is unrelated to income or GPV, correct? When you say it's fixed, does this mean that the early finish bonus will be tied in with income and/or GPV somehow?

[gfgtdf]

It beeing fixed in 1.13.2 means that in 1.13.2 the carryover gold is now 'amount of gold that you'd get per turn if you had all villages captured and no unit upkeep' * 'number of turns left'. The bug was that it was previously possile to get more gold by waiting for that last turn than by finishing the scenario early.