Tweak victory/defeat conditions display format?

Post by **irrevenant** » December 21st, 2007, 4:47 am

Currently the victory defeat conditions say (for example):

VICTORY:
  Defeat one enemy leader and resist the other until time expires
  Defeat both enemy leaders (Bonus)
DEFEAT:
  Death of Konrad
  Turns run out

Might this be better displayed as:

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VICTORY:
  Defeat one enemy leader and resist the other until time expires
BONUS:
  Defeat both enemy leaders before time expires
DEFEAT:
  Death of Konrad
  Turns run out

?

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » December 21st, 2007, 5:27 am

Agree, it makes more sense to have "Victory" only stand for the conditions that are required to win.

deonjo · Post by **deonjo** » December 21st, 2007, 5:36 am

great idea!

Sorrow · Post by **Sorrow** » December 21st, 2007, 5:39 am

Makes with the sense to me.

Blueblaze · Post by **Blueblaze** » December 21st, 2007, 5:46 am

Rather than Bonus, why not put Optional since they are optional recommendations.

Clonkinator · Post by **Clonkinator** » December 21st, 2007, 12:13 pm

Another good idea. I'm looking forward to seeing this implemented (I hope it does get implemented...?).

BuBu · Post by **BuBu** » December 21st, 2007, 2:12 pm

Excellent, i agree. it has more sense.

deonjo · Post by **deonjo** » December 21st, 2007, 2:33 pm

maybe you could give the bonus a bonus.

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VICTORY:
  Defeat one enemy leader and resist the other until time expires
BONUS: (100 gold)
  Defeat both enemy leaders before time expires
DEFEAT:
  Death of Konrad
  Turns run out

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Post by **Urs** » December 21st, 2007, 2:47 pm

Yep, good idea. I've gotten confused before as to what I have to do and what is optional.

CarpeGuitarrem · Post by **CarpeGuitarrem** » December 21st, 2007, 11:29 pm

Honestly, I don't get that confused. Maybe that's just me. And I don't know that it's the best idea to say straight out what the bonus for a bonus objective is...because sometimes, it can't be stated (Bay of Pearls), or just should remain a surprise.

Post by **irrevenant** » December 22nd, 2007, 9:51 am

CarpeGuitarrem wrote:Honestly, I don't get that confused. Maybe that's just me. And I don't know that it's the best idea to say straight out what the bonus for a bonus objective is...because sometimes, it can't be stated (Bay of Pearls), or just should remain a surprise.

It's just a reorganisation of the currently displayed information. Any 'surprise' objectives that aren't currently displayed still won't be.

The current way isn't necessarily hugely confusing, this is just a bit neater and more accessible, IMO.

Chris NS · Post by **Chris NS** » December 22nd, 2007, 10:27 am

At the very least, it would make sense to overhaul the objectives WML into something more versatile than plain "Victory" and "Defeat" and then let campaign designers work with that. OK, there are ways to get round it, but it's messy.

Post by **Aethaeryn** » December 22nd, 2007, 3:04 pm

There are about 3-4 scenarios in a row in TroW that could benefit from this suggestion - the ones where you're fleeing the island and have "heroic" objectives to kill everyone for a bonus.

CarpeGuitarrem · Post by **CarpeGuitarrem** » December 22nd, 2007, 8:30 pm

irrevenant wrote:
CarpeGuitarrem wrote:Honestly, I don't get that confused. Maybe that's just me. And I don't know that it's the best idea to say straight out what the bonus for a bonus objective is...because sometimes, it can't be stated (Bay of Pearls), or just should remain a surprise.
It's just a reorganisation of the currently displayed information. Any 'surprise' objectives that aren't currently displayed still won't be.

The current way isn't necessarily hugely confusing, this is just a bit neater and more accessible, IMO.

No, I meant that the rewards should be kept a secret.

DDR · Post by **DDR** » December 22nd, 2007, 8:59 pm

For this, I usually put a line of white text at the bottom describing the bonus, as standard colour tags work in the victory conditions dialog.