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Konrad II
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Post by Konrad II »

White mage -> Celestial mage is a good idea I think.
Now for "Higher Mage"... That sounds ridiculous, don't know why, but it sounds ridiculous.

I'd say

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Mage -> Fire Mage / Pyromancer -> Silver Mage
Mage -> Fire Mage / Pyromancer* -> Great mage / Pyromaster* -> Arch Mage
Mage -> White Mage --> Celestial Mage

First *: Time Traveler / Plane Crosser / Mage of Time doesn't sound right after Fire mage, Pyromancer, Mage of Fire, or anything that has to do with fire, really. Silver mage sounds just right to me, I prefer it to other possibilities.
Second *: Pyromancer - I think that does it, I hear Pyromancer means a mage who is specialised in Fire.
Third *: Pyromaster - that sounds cool :>

The problem with Silver Mage is the relation between a Fire user and a teleporter isn't that big...
In JW's proposition, all's ok but I don't see how you can go from Apprentice to Cleric, White Mage, Priest, or whatever caster specialised in Holy's name is, when you go from Apprentice to Mage then the specialised Mage in the other branch.


Another possibility would be to tweak the current Red Mage a bit: make him cast arcane shots such as magic projectiles instead of fireballs(nothing much, change the 'attack' graphic and the attack's name); then you can go:

Mage -> Great Mage / arcanist* -> Time Traveler / Mage of Time / Plane crosser or whatever has to do with teleportation.
Because I think an arcanist(if this word exists) can become a master of teleportation much more than a master of Fire, who casts Fireball can. Plus the Silver mage casts arcane projectiles. However if we keep Silver Mage or stuff that isn't related to his teleportation ability, then it is useless to change.

* : arcanist, but if the word can be used here... I'm not sure.

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Post by Cuyo Quiz »

Don't use Fire in the name. It is the progression of ranks inside the Magi Guild or whatever, so probably they don't tie greatness with fire.

Unless, of course, we make the magi be founded by the interest of many people who are obssesed with pyromania. Then it would go something like Apprentice-> Arsonist-> Pyromancer-> Conflagrator.
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Post by Glowing Fish »

I like Silver Mage, because it reminds me of Quicksilver. Which of course, runs and transforms and reappeares and disappears and blobbifies and deblobbifies, just like our Silver Mage. Who are also, for that matter, Quick.

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Post by Konrad II »

I didn't know about that Arsonist thing :>

That sounds a lot better than mine, nice.

You're right about the Hierarchy thing, but I think everybody takes the Red mage as a fire mage because 1st off it's red(obviously), and secondly it casts fireballs.

If we're gonna make it with the hierarchy idea, we got to find equivalent for lvl 2 and lvl 3(although great mage sounds right there).

-> Silver Mage / something else.
Mage -> Journeyman Mage? -> Great Mage -> Arch Mage
-> White Mage -> Celestial Mage

EDITED. Don't know, Journeyman Mage is the only thing I can think of... I kind of prefer the fire specialised mage, because it fits the "red mage" thing more; it seems to have been related to fire since the start, but I might be wrong.
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Post by Velensk »

Another set of ideas

Apprentice, Mage, (battlemage, pyromage, greatmage, wizard), Archmage
(phasemage, warpmage, planecrosser)
(Ether-mage, monk), (Spirt-mage, abbot)

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Post by Leo »

Just my 2 cents:
Apprentice -> Mage -> Master Mage -> ArchMage
-> Silver Mage
-> Cleric -> Master Cleric

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Post by Velensk »

I like leo's names

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Post by Konrad II »

If you read the first page of posts you'll notice 1 problem was stated about your names leo : cleric / Master cleric wouldn't be good for NRIW.

Velensk :
I don't understand how you can go from apprentice to single mage on one branch, whereas you go "ether-mage"(specialised) directly on the 3rd branch. However if you go 'monk' it might work, but I really never would have imagined a monk casting spells at their enemies, using a staff, instead of punching them up :D .
Anyway ether-mage and spirit-mage are good ideas imo

Battlemage prolly wouldn't work, our mages tend to be full into spellcasting - I mean they use a staff with 7-2 or so. I'm not sure for Wizard, because I am not sure about what this word really means. Although I wouldn't consider it to be a higher rank in mage hierarchy than mage.
Good ol' great mage does it though, master mage is pretty cool too.
I rly like your ideas for Silver mage
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Post by Ark »

for the white mage branch, what about ==> Acolyte ==> Paragon?

paragon by definition is a model of excellency, and the standard by which other things are judged; it sounds cool, too. the word has been used in other games before it as a similar healer/mage (golden sun) or support/healer (guild wars).

the regular mage branch... i like Apprentice as the first recruit. Red Mage on the other hand is too iconic with final fantasy games.

Apprentice ==> Disciple ==> Mage ==> Wizard ==> High Wizard (delf, basically) works for me. apprentice is learning the ways of magic, disciple has been inducted into the circle (hence the newly red robes), a mage is already proficient, a wizard is a master of the art- and a high wizard is master of the masters.

Silver Mage sounds too cool, though. keep that

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Post by Konrad II »

Ark wrote:for the white mage branch, what about ==> Acolyte ==> Paragon?

paragon by definition is a model of excellency, and the standard by which other things are judged; it sounds cool, too. the word has been used in other games before it as a similar healer/mage (golden sun) or support/healer (guild wars).

the regular mage branch... i like Apprentice as the first recruit. Red Mage on the other hand is too iconic with final fantasy games.

Apprentice ==> Disciple ==> Mage ==> Wizard ==> High Wizard (delf, basically) works for me. apprentice is learning the ways of magic, disciple has been inducted into the circle (hence the newly red robes), a mage is already proficient, a wizard is a master of the art- and a high wizard is master of the masters.

Silver Mage sounds too cool, though. keep that
Acolyte? I guess that does it.

I'd go

Apprentice -> Mage -> Great Mage -> Arch mage *
Apprentice -> Mage -> Silver Mage / Plane crosser etc
Apprentice -> Acolyte -> Paragon

*Nothing much changed there because no changes are really needed - after all what was needed at first was a replacement for red mage
Either this or
Apprentice -> Mage -> Pyromancer -> Pyromaster or something if we want to give it fire assonance instead of hierarchy.
:)


I think that the ideas for mage and silver mage branches are pretty clear now.

Ideas for white mage are:

Acolyte -> Paragon
Cleric -> Cleric of Light
Warlock -> ?
White mage -> Celestial Mage

And some others.
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Post by UngeheuerLich »

before a developer jumps in and says this has been discussed one hundred thousand times:

relax, no one expects that any namesuggestion is taken. It is just meant to help you find new names, from nondevelopers, so that if anyone of you likes them you can include it or not.

It often helps, when two developers have different Ideas, when a third person who is not in contact with them has a good idea, since no one "won" the discussion.

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Post by Konrad II »

Eh, tbh there's nothing more to be added. No need to repeat ourselves, I personally have nothing more to add or suggest.
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Post by UngeheuerLich »

silvermage could be planes walker

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Post by Tomsik »

UngeheuerLich wrote:silvermage could be planes walker
I don't think there are planes in wesnoth. Also I don't see any benefit in adding them and you'd get less consistent world.

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Post by Aisling Morrighan »

Konrad II wrote:I really never would have imagined a monk casting spells at their enemies, using a staff, instead of punching them up :D .
Really?
I'm not sure for Wizard, because I am not sure about what this word really means.
'Wizard' originates from the Middle English 'wys-ard', meaning 'a wise person' (the suffix '-ard' is also seen in, for example, 'drunkard').

Incidentally, 'Mage' and the more traditional 'Magician' are derived from the Persian 'Magus' and possibly the Latin 'Magister' (meaning 'master').
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