May I ask you to upgrade the Gryphon Rider to level 3 ?

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May I ask you to upgrade the Gryphon Rider to level 3 ?

Post by La_vie_en_Wose » May 5th, 2006, 10:55 pm

Or may I not ?
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Post by Flametrooper » May 5th, 2006, 11:44 pm

You may ask, but I don't think they'll answer positively...even though I've always wanted a level 3 Gryphon Lord.
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Post by Sapient » May 5th, 2006, 11:54 pm

First you need stats and more importantly art, then it can be considered for usermade campaigns and (less likely) mainline inclusion.

(Since this is just at the "idea" stage, I'm moving it to the ideas forum.)
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Post by DimWit » May 6th, 2006, 6:13 am

yay! dwarfs arn't godly enough .... yet

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Post by irrevenant » May 6th, 2006, 6:33 am

Sapient wrote:First you need stats and more importantly art, then it can be considered for usermade campaigns and (less likely) mainline inclusion.
If you want it included in mainline, you'll have to make a really good case for it. At this stage, the assumption is that sides are balanced unless proven otherwise.

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Post by scott » May 6th, 2006, 3:33 pm

I suppose you could call this creeping levelism. This has been discussed in the past, and while I think a white gryphon knight (or something) would be cool, there are gameplay, in-game-role, and philosophy reasons why there is no L3 gryphon. First, it is consistent with the game's flavor and philosophy to avoid level inflation. The more higher level units we have, the less value the lower levels have. It's also interesting to have a variety of level-up stopping points. Second, the gameplay implications of a L3 gryphon are potentially enormous. The L2 gryphon is quite a powerhouse. Since we have RIPLIB, the L3 gryphon should have more HP, a stronger claw attack, and possibly a bladed charge attack. Combine this with speed and mobility and you have a nightmare. Finally, in the game, the L2 unit is a master rider on a fully-grown mount. How much more skilled or bigger can the unit get?

That said, this is fantasy. While I support keeping the max level at 2 for this unit, as with the outlaws, it would be fun to play L3 gryphons in a campaign. A gryphon's tale already has several new gryphon lines, but if you wrote a non-gryphocentric campaign that happened to have the fabled L3 white gryphon, that could be really fun to play.
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Post by CuddleFish » May 6th, 2006, 8:01 pm

level 3? why not make a level 4 gryffon too? :P


Gryffon Warrior:

70hp
17-2 blade (backstab, skirmisher)
12 movement

how about some pierce resistance too?
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Post by Elvish_Pillager » May 6th, 2006, 8:16 pm

CuddleFish wrote:level 3? why not make a level 4 gryffon too? :P


Gryffon Warrior:

70hp
17-2 blade (backstab, skirmisher)
12 movement

how about some pierce resistance too?
Nice idea, and then how about we make a level 26 Gryphon:

Gryphon Ultimate Super Duper Royal Demigod
Neutral
level 26
23 moves
flyer movetype + 40% pierce resist + 30% blade resist + 30% impact resist + 50% fire resist + 60% cold resist + 80% holy resist + 20% defense on all terrains
Skirmisher, Ambush, Nightstalk, Regenerates, Teleport, Leadership, Illuminates, Cures
1337 HP
Maul(blade)
24-3 melee
Eviscerate(pierce)
charge
28-2 melee
Impale(pierce)
first strike
32-2 melee
Grenades(fire)
45-4 ranged

It would be cool! No, it would be REALLY cool! it would own all those wimpy level 17s! It would rule! It would be GREAT!

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Post by kshinji » May 6th, 2006, 8:20 pm

I think wecould even make lvl 69 gryphon -

Gryphon Lover

hp: 6969

all combination of attacks, each 69-69

all res 69%

and 69 movement points

But seriously - even if you make huge till_lvl_5 tree for gryphons to level up, it will have very small effect on MP gameplay.
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Post by CuddleFish » May 6th, 2006, 8:28 pm

um... i was being sarcastic... notice the " :P "
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Post by Elvish_Pillager » May 6th, 2006, 8:31 pm

CuddleFish wrote:um... i was being sarcastic...
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Post by JW » May 6th, 2006, 8:55 pm

Now I want to make a Wesnoth RPG that tops out at level 100 units...

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Post by Dragon Master » May 7th, 2006, 1:27 am

kshinji wrote:I think wecould even make lvl 69 gryphon -

Gryphon Lover

hp: 6969

all combination of attacks, each 69-69

all res 69%

and 69 movement points
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Post by Tropico » May 7th, 2006, 1:54 am

1337 HP
that made me :lol:

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Post by irrevenant » May 7th, 2006, 4:06 am

Okay, this has been answered and the forum's sarcasm quota for the month has been met. :)

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