so, after 1.9, what?

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so, after 1.9, what?

Post by Mountain_King » August 29th, 2010, 6:58 am

This could be the wrong place to post this (and if it is I am truly sorry). Now that Wesnoth 1.9 is out, what will the next stable version be called? This is what I have been hearing:
1.10 because it is the tenth in the 1.x series.

2.0 because it comes after 1.9. (1.0 came after 0.9)
So, my question is, which is it? If it is 1.10, then has the game not improved enough since 1.0 that it could be called 2.0? I am curious as to the reasoning behind it.

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Re: so, after 1.9, what?

Post by ivanovic » August 29th, 2010, 7:26 am

Mountain_King wrote:So, my question is, which is it? If it is 1.10, then has the game not improved enough since 1.0 that it could be called 2.0? I am curious as to the reasoning behind it.
A 2.0 release is not simply determined following the "oh, we reached >.9 behind the first '.'". Yes, the numbers behind a '.' can have several digits, have a look at the linux kernel, what is possible there (they are currently working on 2.6.36). So yeah, the next stable series will most likely be 1.10, though it is not sure when it will be ready.

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Re: so, after 1.9, what?

Post by Gambit » August 29th, 2010, 12:19 pm

Mountain_King wrote:This could be the wrong place to post this (and if it is I am truly sorry). Now that Wesnoth 1.9 is out, what will the next stable version be called?
More past discussion the OP might find interesting.
Normally you'd get told to go use the forum's search feature (this has been asked several times now), but it looks like all the most relevant terms are too common or short. Lucky. :P

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Re: so, after 1.9, what?

Post by obnoxiousman » October 28th, 2010, 5:31 pm

Geez... You'd think these programmers would know a little about decimals. Here. Look at this. 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.5, 0.6, 0.7, 0.8, 0.9, 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.7, 1.8, 1.9, 2.0. Or, 0.0.9.0, 0.0.9.1, 0.0.9.2, 0.0.9.3, 0.0.9.4, 0.0.9.5, 0.0.9.6, 0.0.9.7, 0.0.9.8, 0.0.9.9, 0.1.0.0. See? (I am a geek. I like decimals, unless I am dividing them by themselves.)
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Re: so, after 1.9, what?

Post by Dave » October 28th, 2010, 5:41 pm

obnoxiousman wrote:Geez... You'd think these programmers would know a little about decimals.
We do know about decimals. However, version numbers are not decimals. They are a sequence of integers separated by periods to indicate major version, minor version, and release number.

Now let's hope you never have to deal with IP addresses....

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Re: so, after 1.9, what?

Post by thespaceinvader » October 28th, 2010, 5:54 pm

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Re: so, after 1.9, what?

Post by Sangel » October 28th, 2010, 7:12 pm

You know, I've always thought that both IPs and version numbers should switch to use a different divider notation, to avoid confusion with decimals. The "⋅" symbol, perhaps, so that Wesnoth 1.9.2 would be rendered as Wesnoth 1⋅9⋅2. You could do the same with IP addresses.

Of course, "⋅" has a mathematical meaning of its own, so this would risk another form of confusion. But that's far less widely known than the meaning of the decimal point, so the number of people confused would be a great deal smaller and, most likely, easier to educate on the distinction.
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Re: so, after 1.9, what?

Post by shadowm » October 28th, 2010, 7:22 pm

Sangel wrote:You know, I've always thought that both IPs and version numbers should switch to use a different divider notation, to avoid confusion with decimals. The "⋅" symbol, perhaps, so that Wesnoth 1.9.2 would be rendered as Wesnoth 1⋅9⋅2. You could do the same with IP addresses.
Fear not, for IPv6 brings a new divider to us! The colon.

On the other hand, components are hexadecimal, so that brings us to a whole new interpretation problem.
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Re: so, after 1.9, what?

Post by Gambit » October 28th, 2010, 7:58 pm

Well this is pretty interesting. I guess since it's becoming less about Wesnoth I'll move it over here to off-topic.
I of course prefer the AwesomeSemicolon™ for separating things like this.
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Re: so, after 1.9, what?

Post by Yoyobuae » October 28th, 2010, 8:19 pm

I vote for the SHA-1 hash (or any unique initial substring of it) of the source tree as the version numbers:
718fd738eed290a32c34e93d57f371f1a794f0ef
Note: Not the actual SHA-1 hash of any Wesnoth source tree

Or maybe we can start naming releases. Dunno, maybe names from the campaigns.

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Re: so, after 1.9, what?

Post by Captain_Wrathbow » October 28th, 2010, 9:58 pm

I don't see the problem with decimal points in version numbers. It's a clear dividing mark, and it's not hard to understand when it is explained. Plus you get to say "one point nine point one". If it was a multiplication dot, what would it be? One times nine times one? Or if it was a semicolon; "one nine one"....

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Re: so, after 1.9, what?

Post by obnoxiousman » October 28th, 2010, 10:21 pm

Sorry. Being a eighth grade homeschooled kid, I am associated with a lot of decimals.
Dave wrote:Version numbers are not decimals. They are a sequence of integers separated by periods to indicate major version, minor version, and release number.
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Re: so, after 1.9, what?

Post by thespaceinvader » October 28th, 2010, 10:34 pm

It's not a matter of seeing it that way or otherwise. They're not decimals. There's only ever one decimal point in a decimal number. There are two in a version number, not to mention the occasional letter.
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Re: so, after 1.9, what?

Post by obnoxiousman » October 29th, 2010, 3:38 pm

What meant by 'seeing it that way' was this. i always thought of a version number as a decimal number, or a fraction. Like this: 1.5 means one and a half. 1.9.1 to me was just 1.91 with an extra decimal point. So it was like one and ninety-one hundreths. See what I mean? I geuss I'm not a develepor, so I'm gonna quit posting in here.
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Re: so, after 1.9, what?

Post by Dunno » October 31st, 2010, 2:21 pm

Not every country around the world uses dot as a decimal separator(or however you call it), you know. In Poland, for example, we use commas. Dots are used when writing a big number to make reading easier. So one millon and a half would be written like this : 1.000.000,5
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