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Turn time limit patch

Post by mtx » December 8th, 2005, 2:20 pm

Some time ago, I was about to propose the implementation of a configurable turn time limit in order to avoid those eternal multiplayer games where users take ages to move (me included).

But instead of asking for it, I decided to try to implement it myself as it was more fun.

Here is my attempt if someone wants to try it:

There are three new wml attributes that can be setup in the scenario file:

glob_timeout_turns -> Number of turns where the global time limit is applied
glob_timeout -> Number of seconds for global timeout
turn_timeout -> per turn timeout (seconds)

It works like this:
The player has to finish the number of turns defined in glob_timeout_turns in less time than glob_timeout seconds.
Otherwise the turn_timeout is enabled and when the turn timeout is finished the player's turn automatically ends.
When the player finishes the turns defined in glob_timeout_turns the countdown clock is setup again with glob_timeout seconds and the whole cycle begins again.

if the glob_* variables are not defined, the turn_timeout is applied directly for all turns.

Anyway is easier to test it than to explain... :wink:


Apart from the patch I've included two sample scenarios (single and multiplayer) with time limits implemented, and an awful icon image for the GUI representation (needs to be placed in ./images/misc)
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Post by Boucman » December 8th, 2005, 8:49 pm

OK...

first I'm not sure the setings should be WML variables... you probably want to add them to the map settings that are set by the host...

second, I think your agorithm for turn limit is too complicated. I read your description and still didn't get it :oops:


ok, now for the good sides...

it's a great idea, and will probably get included once the patch is ready... let's not rush it and take the time to find something that fits perfectly ;)
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Post by mtx » December 8th, 2005, 9:52 pm

Well, my explaination was not very good, better to try it in game.

The main idea is that you have an amount of time to make x moves (lets say 15 minutes to make 10 turns). You can take more time in the difficult turns and recover during other less busy turns. However if the 15 minute period has ended and you still haven't done the 10 turns (lets say you have only completed 8 turns) then a per turn timeout is setup for the 2 remaining turns where you have to complete each turn within lets say 40 seconds or the turn will be ended automatically by the program.

In my point of view this schema encourages faster gameplay but allows room to do some planing in difficult situations. Anyway I'm open to other solutions.

About the settings, I agree with you that map settings seems a good place to set them up, however I'm not yet very familiar with wesnoth code and found wml an easy way to test it.

If there is interest in this patch for future game inclusion I don't mind modifying it to whatever fits better to the game.
I'll begin trying to integrate it with MP map settings.

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Post by Quensul » December 8th, 2005, 9:59 pm

So as I understand it, the timing system is just like playing clocked chess, except you get a new clock every N turns? (And you don't lose if you run out of time :-))
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Post by mtx » December 8th, 2005, 10:08 pm

Yes.
I think that making someone directly lose because of beeing slow is too hard. (Being myself quite slow player)
Its just to avoid somebody to take ages every single turn and encourage faster gameplay, but not to completely change the gameplay.

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Post by Boucman » December 9th, 2005, 7:11 am

OK, I got it now.... the names were probably ill choosen... maybe someone has a better idea

if you put it in the game config screen, we can also have tooltips to help understanding.
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Post by Sapient » December 9th, 2005, 7:28 am

I think a time limit T for every N turns is a good idea. Just add the time taken in the past (N-1) turns and start counting down for the current turn... if it reaches T their turn will end and they are on "probation" for the next (N-1) turns. While on probation you get (T/N) time or your turn automatically ends (but it won't lengthen your probation). Now when probation ends it resumes counting as normal.
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Post by Yogibear » December 9th, 2005, 9:14 am

Great idea, mtx :D .

I don't have enough time to look at it in detail but if our "Patch Monkey" cares, it is in good hands :) .

Now got to go back to make the replays work better :wink: .
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Post by Darth Fool » December 9th, 2005, 4:38 pm

It seems to me that a "fischer clock" would be a better model. You have some total time for all moves. At the beginning of each turn, your total time is incremented by a fixed amount. This guarantees that you have a minimum amount of time per turn to move, but any excess that you use can be saved for later.

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Post by mtx » December 9th, 2005, 4:56 pm

Yes, certainly I agree that fisher clock its a better solution (and easier to explain also). Next version of the patch will be based on it.

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Post by Noyga » December 9th, 2005, 5:25 pm

Another suggestion that may be a little harder to implement :
Would it be possible to have a idle timeout too ?
If the played is idle too long the turn would automagically end.
Perharps add a 'pause' command that would suspend/reactivate the all the timeouts.
Do you think it would be a good idea ?

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Post by ott » December 12th, 2005, 9:18 am

A Fischer clock would work well, and the patent expired some time back.
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Post by Sapient » December 12th, 2005, 3:25 pm

I like the fisher clock idea. Even better, would be a micro-fisher clock. You start with a set amount of time each turn, and it increments your turn-clock every time you perform an action that cannot be undone (an attack, a recruitment, etc). That would allow for longer turns depending on the number of units under your control. This would be escpecially useful in 2v1 or 3v1 scenarios, where one player will need more time than the others.

Another idea I had is: when your time expires, you may allow the Artificial Intelligence to complete the move.

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Post by mtx » December 13th, 2005, 10:55 pm

I finally managed to finish the patch.
It ended being much more complex than the initial one, but it's better integrated into the game.
It's based in Fischer clock, values can be defined from the multiplayer create screen, and
it works with MP savegames.

If someone wants to test it, the patch is in
https://gna.org/patch/index.php?func=de ... tem_id=492

Hope you like it !

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Post by Boucman » December 13th, 2005, 11:08 pm

thx, I'll have a look at it ASAP... which won't be before nex week end unfortunately
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